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Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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A year or eighteen months from now look for a settlement in the case. Each of the affected class members will be entitled to a $5 discount on an anti-virus product plus up to $25 if they can provide detailed documentation showing actual economic losses. Any money left over after the coupons and payments are made will be given to a charity hand picked by the plaintiff's attorney. There will also be injunctive relief i…

The only people who win class action lawsuits are lawyers.

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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A year or eighteen months from now look for a settlement in the case. Each of the affected class members will be entitled to a $5 discount on an anti-virus product plus up to $25 if they can provide detailed documentation showing actual economic losses. Any money left over after the coupons and payments are made will be given to a charity hand picked by the plaintiff's attorney. There will also be injunctive relief i…

Probably, although I'll note that cy pres awards are under intense scrutiny these days in the various Courts of Appeal. Besides that, is the result unfair here? Did the average claimant even suffer $5 in economic losses?

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And through all of this, the Lenovo name will continue to be tarnished. That's where the real damage is.

In 18 months no one will remember this. Honestly, corporations face basically no repercussions from customers because of doing stupid or outright malicious things.

people who actually cared about the superfish incident will remember this, and thats where it counts and where it will hurt. Everyday joe couldn't care less about superfish.

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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Going through the list of complaints, it really sound as it should have been a criminal procedure, not civil. One then wonder why that isn't the case here.

With the amount of frivolous cases brought under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act ( http://www.networkworld.com/article/2908555/opensource-subne... ), it'd be nice to see some charges filed for this.

Oh, look, another one: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2484018,00.asp

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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post #72

A year or eighteen months from now look for a settlement in the case. Each of the affected class members will be entitled to a $5 discount on an anti-virus product plus up to $25 if they can provide detailed documentation showing actual economic losses. Any money left over after the coupons and payments are made will be given to a charity hand picked by the plaintiff's attorney. There will also be injunctive relief i…

Probably, although I'll note that cy pres awards are under intense scrutiny these days in the various Courts of Appeal. Besides that, is the result unfair here? Did the average claimant even suffer $5 in economic losses?

Shouldn't the potential risk be taken into account as well? They basically disabled HTTPS for a large number of people for a significant amount of time, leaving them open to great financial risk due to compromised bank accounts and such. That roughly nobody took advantage doesn't change the fact that the risk was there.

I mean, if I fired a gun at your house but was lucky enough not to injure anybody, shouldn't my punishment still be more than the cost of fixing the bullet holes? Of course that's separate from the question of whether you should receive more than the cost of fixing the bullet holes.

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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A year or eighteen months from now look for a settlement in the case. Each of the affected class members will be entitled to a $5 discount on an anti-virus product plus up to $25 if they can provide detailed documentation showing actual economic losses. Any money left over after the coupons and payments are made will be given to a charity hand picked by the plaintiff's attorney. There will also be injunctive relief i…

Probably, although I'll note that cy pres awards are under intense scrutiny these days in the various Courts of Appeal. Besides that, is the result unfair here? Did the average claimant even suffer $5 in economic losses?

I know that outright cy pres settlements are on the outs, but are residual cy pres clauses also under the same scrutiny? If so, change that clause to the company keeps whatever is left in the compensation pool.

As for unfairness, I think the entrepreneurial class action system to punish very diffuse harms amounts to an inefficient regulatory regime and that inefficiency results in higher prices for everyone as compared to a more efficient system.

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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.. reinstall any computer you get from scratch; Firmware Bios spying is of course much harder to get rid from.

Many of these computers don't even come with OS reinstallation media. They tend to have recovery partitions on the hard drives which will only restore the computer to its initial spyware-ridden state. I downvoted your comment because of your implication that spyware wouldn't be a problem if only everyone were as sophisticated as you.

I don't think the comment implies any such thing. Suggesting mitigations for the current state of things doesn't in any way imply acceptance of the current state. At most, it implies resignation.

Re: Class action lawsuit filed against Lenovo over Superfish

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A year or eighteen months from now look for a settlement in the case. Each of the affected class members will be entitled to a $5 discount on an anti-virus product plus up to $25 if they can provide detailed documentation showing actual economic losses. Any money left over after the coupons and payments are made will be given to a charity hand picked by the plaintiff's attorney. There will also be injunctive relief i…

The only people who win class action lawsuits are lawyers.

Not true. The customer will see the company getting punished which is worth a lot more. They will think twice about doing something idiotic next time. This is what I call using your lawyer powers for good (and profit).
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