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More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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Anyone else surprised that 3 to 5 cups a day is considered "moderate"? I thought it would be 1 to 3 or so.

In the US, at least, there's a strange convention that a "cup" of coffee is 6 ounces[1]. 2 mugs is typically about 4 of these "cups". I'm not sure what convention the NY Times is using, but the quantities are quite muddled.

1. http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/25041/is-a-cup-on...

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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Coffee itself might not have anything to do with it; rather, coffee follows a certain lifestyle which is healthier than that of non-drinkers. I.e. it is perhaps quite good for you to get up every morning at 9am and go to work. Active lifestyle, continuous stimuli etc. Coffee just so happens to be very ingrained in that culture. It might not be the actual chemicals and nutrients of coffee that helps you, but the fact…

Anecdotally, I would agree with you for some, but for others not so much. I get a short boost followed by a long crash when drinking coffee. It's also like an unfocused focus - like as long as what I want to focus on is nearby, I will do that. But if I have to figure out what I want to focus on, that feels like frustration and hypertension.

I prefer tea. I get up at 4:50 am 5 days a week, and I rarely sleep past 7-8 on weekends. I just make sure I'm asleep by 10:00 pm before work nights, and weeknights I stay up til 11:00 max.

I really like thinking that I think slowly, and that I can control my thinking direction using another level of meta-thinking. It's one of my most favorite and dramatic life shifts as an adult, that I have made. Pretending that my mind is a machine that needs to be turned on is a one way ticket to crazy town, and it's pretty hard to leave crazy town.

But otherwise, I don't understand how loneliness has to do with any of this. I'm lonely regardless of whether I drink tea or coffee.

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #3

It's a drug. It's full of harmful chemicals because of the way it's processed. It affects mind and body, often negatively. But it's great money maker so we will be hearing more about its "benefits" in a near future.

Also tobacco and alcohol are big moneymakers, but there is a large consensus about their negative effects, and that's why their use (or abuse) is discouraged, by doctors and governments alike. So either: - The coffee "lobby" is more effective than the tobacco and alcohol lobbies. - Maybe all drugs cannot be dumped in the same bin, and we should treat them case by case, critically.

Hmmm... seems like I see a new story about the purported health benefits of red wine every few months or so.

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #4

Coffee itself might not have anything to do with it; rather, coffee follows a certain lifestyle which is healthier than that of non-drinkers. I.e. it is perhaps quite good for you to get up every morning at 9am and go to work. Active lifestyle, continuous stimuli etc. Coffee just so happens to be very ingrained in that culture. It might not be the actual chemicals and nutrients of coffee that helps you, but the fact…

Anecdotally, I would agree with you for some, but for others not so much. I get a short boost followed by a long crash when drinking coffee. It's also like an unfocused focus - like as long as what I want to focus on is nearby, I will do that. But if I have to figure out what I want to focus on, that feels like frustration and hypertension. I prefer tea. I get up at 4:50 am 5 days a week, and I rarely sleep past 7-8…

Agreed, coffee for me is basically a burst of energy/focus followed by a longer period of worse energy/focus than when I began, so really not worth it for me. I like Yerba Mate for this reason - no real crash, but a strong but steady warm buzz, much less peaky than coffee.

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #12

It's a drug. It's full of harmful chemicals because of the way it's processed. It affects mind and body, often negatively. But it's great money maker so we will be hearing more about its "benefits" in a near future.

> It's full of harmful chemicals because of the way it's processed. Like which chemicals?

Dihydrogen monoxide, for one. :-)

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #21
post #17

Anyone else surprised that 3 to 5 cups a day is considered "moderate"? I thought it would be 1 to 3 or so.

In the US, at least, there's a strange convention that a "cup" of coffee is 6 ounces[1]. 2 mugs is typically about 4 of these "cups". I'm not sure what convention the NY Times is using, but the quantities are quite muddled. 1. http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/25041/is-a-cup-on...

I always hated that "cup" measure in the US... Anywho, I don't think the volume of coffee one drinks in a day is relevant without stating how concentrated it is. I'm assuming 6 oz of americano coffee doesn't have quite the same effect as a 6 oz cup of esspresso (oh Lord.)

I know that, technically, a glass of beer should contain the same amount of alcohol as a shot of vodka or a glass of wine in a bar. Of course in practice it's probably not exactly the case, but when someone tells me "drinking 2 glasses before driving isn't such a good idea," I'm supposed to be able to tell how much 2 glasses is regadless of the alcohol consumed.

Isn't it the same in the article ? Shouldn't a cup of esspresso contain the same amount of coffee as a (medium ?) americano ? If not, how do these 2 coffee dilutions compare ?

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #10
post #4

Coffee itself might not have anything to do with it; rather, coffee follows a certain lifestyle which is healthier than that of non-drinkers. I.e. it is perhaps quite good for you to get up every morning at 9am and go to work. Active lifestyle, continuous stimuli etc. Coffee just so happens to be very ingrained in that culture. It might not be the actual chemicals and nutrients of coffee that helps you, but the fact…

I'd argue that coffee is connected to a rather unhealthy lifestyle of sitting in an office chair the whole day, eating unhealthy fast-/restaurant food instead of cooking for yourself, working long hours instead of a regular 7 to 5 schedule etc.

There is a lot of writing about how coffee fueled the industrial revolution which happened way before people sat in office chairs all day.

> http://www.npr.org/programs/wesat/features/2001/coffee/01090...

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, I would agree with you for some, but for others not so much. I get a short boost followed by a long crash when drinking coffee. It's also like an unfocused focus - like as long as what I want to focus on is nearby, I will do that. But if I have to figure out what I want to focus on, that feels like frustration and hypertension. I prefer tea. I get up at 4:50 am 5 days a week, and I rarely sleep past 7-8…

Agreed, coffee for me is basically a burst of energy/focus followed by a longer period of worse energy/focus than when I began, so really not worth it for me. I like Yerba Mate for this reason - no real crash, but a strong but steady warm buzz, much less peaky than coffee.

Coffee also creates an energy sine wave for me, the amplitude of which is too intense. I go for matcha green tea powder in my morning shake - the effects last longer since your body is digesting a powder (it's extended-release caffeine), with little drop-off. I tolerate it much better than coffee.

Re: More Consensus on Coffee’s Benefits Than You Might Think

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post #21
post #17

Anyone else surprised that 3 to 5 cups a day is considered "moderate"? I thought it would be 1 to 3 or so.

In the US, at least, there's a strange convention that a "cup" of coffee is 6 ounces[1]. 2 mugs is typically about 4 of these "cups". I'm not sure what convention the NY Times is using, but the quantities are quite muddled. 1. http://cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/25041/is-a-cup-on...

Google says 6 oz. of coffee has 71mg of caffeine. https://www.google.com/search?q=caffeine+in+a+cup+of+coffee

Starbucks 'tall' has 260mg of caffeine. http://www.cspinet.org/new/cafchart.htm

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