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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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Entirely an enterprise play - gone are those firms that essentially say "we'll stick with XP". They'll either be forced into a subscription model or will switch off to another platform.

This is also a huge win for not having the need to support super old OSes, which is a huge tax in not just support cost, but also testing and designing for backward compatibility.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

Your monthly subscription payments will come in the form of monthly Azure payments. People will accept that. This isn't 1996 anymore. People don't buy desktops, and laptops will soon be obsolete too. When your phone has a processor powerful enough to do all the work a consumer could ever want, there will be 3 main markets. Mobile, Server, and Gaming. Now they probably could keep charging for the OS for the gaming PC'…

I always get such a kick out of how silly this is. There is no reason people won't continue to have both mobile and desktop. When 'mobile' reaches the computer power of desktop, and screen size, and input, then it will be a desktop. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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What do you like better in Windows 7 than 8.1? Seriously, I have been a long time OS X and Linux user, and 8.1 has won me back to the Microsoft fold. I still use Linux and OSX, but WIndows 8.1 is now something I frequently use. I was not impressed by Windows 7. So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7.

Windows 8 came with skydrive preinstalled, and I removed it. 8.1 has skydrive "integrated into the OS", so it can't be removed. I tried skydrive on windows 7 when skydrive was first released, and instructed it to sync a few specific folders. I didn't like it enough to keep using it, so I uninstalled it and forgot about it. In order to upgrade from 8 to 8.1, I had to put my microsoft account into the system (because t…

yes, thus far Windows 10 (I've been running a beta installation) has de-activated the OS three times in the last two months. And each time it's a new wrinkle in how it fucked itself. AND that's just the beginning.

Honestly, as a person who primarily uses Windows over my Mac or Linux boxes, I do wonder if this is a harbinger for Microsoft where people just stop using it. I hated how bad Windows 8 was, but I didn't expect the general consumer public to have the same reaction. I can't see them being happy with the lack of stability and clunkiness that Microsoft seems hell-bent on implementing.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

I don't think Microsoft makes much money off of shrinkwrap copies of Windows. Almost everyone I know just sticks with the version of Windows that came with the computer, and when they switch to a newer version it's because they bought a new computer that comes with it preinstalled. The probable advantage to Microsoft is that they have a less disjointed platform to support. For example apps released for the app store…

They were still making $20 - $30 per license sold from major vendors like HP and Dell. They move millions of units per year. That is a lot of revenue to throw away.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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> So, serious question, what do you like better about Windows 7. No Metro crap jumping all over you. And that's why I likely will migrate over to Linux once MS stops Win7 support.

You don't have to use any Metro apps if you don't want to, and 10 brings back the start menu. If that's still to "Metro" for you you can install something like Classic Start.

Windows 10 brings back a Metro start menu. Initially, it was just bad, but better than Windows 8. The last updated made it much more like Windows 8. They really just don't get it at all.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

There won't be monthly subscriptions. OEMs will keep buying Windows for new machines and enterprises will keep buying software assurance licenses and 99% of Windows revenue will stay exactly the same.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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Good. I'm not a Windows person, but I think discrete major versioning is an anachronism left over from pre-internet times, especially if a company's internal processes are bound to those major releases there will be a lot of friction from that factor alone. Continuous development and deployment is probably the more rational choice for a lot of software, including operating systems.

Actually it was a great marketing tactic to get people to think their existing Windows was 'old' and they needed to get the newest one. That's why they went to using years (Windows 95) because every consumer knows if they have the current year or not. But Microsoft started missing those 'year' deadlines and then went back to numbers, and THEN more people starting getting hip to the fact that some Windows versions were worse than than the version they already had, and here we are - Microsoft still splashing around trying to figure out how to make their mobile OS work on desktops and how to charge people for it. They've been trying since the 90s and haven't figured it out yet.

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I'm an Ubuntu Linux and OS X user and have been trying to like Windows 8.1 in the last weeks. The problems I have in no particular order ... - network management in Windows 7 was usable, whereas in 8.1 it is totally fucked - Microsoft accounts are on their way to become mandatory, as creating a regular account is not user friendly and there's a big and scary warning when you go that route; they are basically trying t…

Thank you! That was a good answer. Just one thing: OneDrive works well, if I may, I suggest giving it a try. Re: software development: I just live inIntelliJ for Clojure, Ruby, Java, JavaScript, Typescript, Clojurescript, and Python. IntelliJ runs about the same on every platform. I write my books now with markdown and leanpub, so for writing also operating system choice does not matter. True confession: I tend to cy…

My experience with OneDrive has been downright abyssal. Even simple tasks like sync'ing a folder of torrents between my desktop and server for auto-watch somehow ends up failing in inexplicable ways.

Such a shame too since they have the best pricing AFAIK. I wish they would just buy Dropbox, integrate it into Windows in place of OneDrive, and call it a day.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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With the entire stack from the OS to browser changing on a frequent basis (with the exception of some Internet protocols), with the changes being uncoordinated between stack components (e.g., Windows may change its video codec on Monday and the game's video subsystem might be updated on Tuesday, with no coordination between them), what will developers target? How will Microsoft deliver reliability to customers?

Oh, I dunno. Folks who write Linux software seem to cope well enough with rolling-release distros. Moreover, MSFT's SxS assembly stuff means that they can keep old versions of software around for back-compat.

Anyway, devs will know what was components were released on a particular date, and target those components. It's not rocket science. :)

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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The obvious question is, how are we going to pay for this? With no periodic releases of new versions, it seems that Windows 10 will either be a subscription based service or, in all likelihood, a collection of subscription based services and extra features with a free, but spartan, core. It's an interesting move, but I suspect MS is severely underestimating the backlash that will exist against monthly OS subscription…

I don't think Microsoft makes much money off of shrinkwrap copies of Windows. Almost everyone I know just sticks with the version of Windows that came with the computer, and when they switch to a newer version it's because they bought a new computer that comes with it preinstalled. The probable advantage to Microsoft is that they have a less disjointed platform to support. For example apps released for the app store…

That copy of windows does add at least $100 (or your regional equivalent) to the price of the computer, so it's not free but it's bundled with the other parts so hidden away. Out of sight out of mind.
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