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Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by bennettfeely »

[deleted] wrote: post #40
bennettfeely wrote: post #34

This is interesting, but you would be naive if you think this is in any way comprehensive or accurate. My religion and main area of knowledge of Catholicism shows a limited number of picked and chosen orders of priests, (i.e. Franciscans, Cistercians, Capuchins). These are not separate religions by any means whatsoever; they are all members of the Catholic faith. They certainly don't belong on a chart that is meant t…

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That's true I believe. However, my point is that at least in the Christianity (specifically Catholicism) sector of this graph, it's misleading.

Specifically in the graph, different orders of priests aren't schismatic offshoots of the Catholic religion by any means.

After looking at the graph a little more closely, I also see various Catholic traditions listed as separate religions (i.e. Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, Ruthenian Catholic Church, Melkite Greek Catholic Church). I understand the idea of listing these as separate from the Church, but they are in "full communion" with the Catholic Church and also shouldn't be mistaken as separate religions. We all believe the same important things, different cultures and traditions have brought their own gifts to the faith.

Catholics profess the Nicene Creed each mass and in it are the "Four Marks of the Church", something every Catholic grade schooler has to memorize at some point. One, holy, catholic, and apostolic. The word "Catholic" itself is greek for "universal".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_communion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Marks_of_the_Church#.22Cat...

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by wwweston »

madengr wrote: post #22

Nice chart. Glad to be an atheist. Now imagine the man-millenia wasted on all that hocus pocus. Anyway, you are here: http://i.imgur.com/WNkmN.jpg

A couple of criticisms:

* "Wasted" is a value judgment. Arguably anything humans do with their lives that's valuable to them isn't wasted.

* Creating narratives that provide context and serve a starting/exploration point for value judgments seems to be something humans just do (the astute might even notice the author of the comment I'm replying to is hardly immune). Religion isn't that different from the rest of the liberal arts in that respect, though the way people inhabit it arguably is (and everyone inhabits one narrative/cosmology or another).

* Given those things, it looks like you might be confusing religion with a kind of folk cosmology (as that's the easiest explanation for a flat judgment of religion as a waste of time).

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by maxerickson »

bennettfeely wrote: post #34

This is interesting, but you would be naive if you think this is in any way comprehensive or accurate. My religion and main area of knowledge of Catholicism shows a limited number of picked and chosen orders of priests, (i.e. Franciscans, Cistercians, Capuchins). These are not separate religions by any means whatsoever; they are all members of the Catholic faith. They certainly don't belong on a chart that is meant t…

According to the key, they are listed as "adherent branches".

Schisms are shown by ovoids with white fill and appear to make some sense.

I guess the chart is trying to show practices that have a lot of adherents, not just a diagram of religions. Much of the problem is probably just using the word "branch", which isn't a great description of what is shown.

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by Cogito »

maxerickson wrote: post #55
Cogito wrote: post #54

Couldn't see it linked anywhere yet, but the original OpenMap version is at http://funki.com.ua/ru/portfolio/lab/world-religions-tree/

That's the first link at the result of the redirect, the text "World Religions Tree".

Thanks, I went through three or four links looking for the original!

Must have missed it on first parse.

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by maxerickson »

ryan-c wrote: post #49
egwynn wrote: post #21

This could be awesome, but instead it falls very flat. If the author is reading this, I think my advice boils down to: 1. Cite sources 2. Make it an SVG

(I am a friend of the author and host the site for him) Sources were cited, the submitter deep-linked. A redirect is now in place to the page that has more information. Edit, for clarity: * 000024.org is owned by my friend, Alex Fink * The 000024.org website is hosted on one of my servers, along with a few other static sites belonging to friends. I have been doing this for free as a favor to those friends for many ye…

You should rephrase to be a little more careful about who the creator of the image is.

(at least, if I understand correctly, you are friends with the person hosting the jpg of the image that was extracted from the pdf that had the image that was pieced together from the original).

edit: You've made an edit, but you missed what I meant. Alex Fink is not really an author here where the point of the link is the image, he is the "page owner" or something like that. There is plenty of attribution and I don't mean to imply any attempts at obfuscation, but egwynn was talking to the original creator of the image, not to the hoster of this version of the image.

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by michaelsbradley »

bennettfeely wrote: post #51
[deleted] wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's true I believe. However, my point is that at least in the Christianity (specifically Catholicism) sector of this graph, it's misleading. Specifically in the graph, different orders of priests aren't schismatic offshoots of the Catholic religion by any means. After looking at the graph a little more closely, I also see various Catholic traditions listed as separate religions (i.e. Syro-Malabar Catholic Church,…

Someone shared a chart with me the other day that, while not quite the same thing, could be of interest to those wondering what happened to the core followers of Jesus who went on to found the early local churches:

https://www.serviamministries.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03...

Re: The World Religions Tree (huge visualization)

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Post by a_c_s »

wbillingsley wrote: post #32
ars wrote: post #14

This is very inaccurate. It invents splits in Judaism (for example) that simply don't exist. For example it has a bizarre split of Beit Hillel and Beit Shammai and even more bizarrely continues the lines to modern times as if there are actually two separate branches. When the parts that I know best are inaccurate, it seems likely to me that everything else will be just as bad.

It seems to be attempting to list the church organisations rather than the faiths -- for instance, the Anglicans and Presbyterians have an entry for each country. If you were to list the faiths, you would have something very much smaller.

Even so, the part on Judaism (about which I have the most knowledge) is still highly inaccurate: marking divisions that do not exist, branching in the wrong places, over-branching in some places, under-branching in others.

It seems like an compelling idea undertaken by somebody vastly under qualified to implement it properly. (Which is not altogether surprising given the enormity of the task)

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