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Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

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I never quite got why it's ok for the stupid hackathon projects to be negative, demeaning, and have NSFW content, even though these things are completely verboten in every other tech event. Is there some kind of certification[0] that the hackathon organizers got to be allowed to do this? EDIT: [0] What I meant was that it is as if organizations like this hackathon have some kind of certification that allows them to h…

Have you considered that 'context' exists.

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#32
This would be quite funny if it had not been attempted seriously in a major Gnu project already!

Check out the SHAMELESS Ole Tange and his bizarre attempts to simultaneously force people to obey academic citations while at the same offering you the chance to throw the academic process in the bin for a mere 10000 EUR payment to him.

I wish I was joking. GNU Nagware! It literally nags you with a warning message every time you use it until you tell it you agree to cite him or pay him 10000 EUR.

I have no idea how the Gnu foundation allows this!

Take a look at http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/parallel.git/tree/src/paral...

sub bibtex { # Returns: N/A print join("\n", "Academic tradition requires you to cite works you base your article on.", "When using programs that use GNU Parallel to process data for publication", "please cite:", "", "\@article{Tange2011a,", " title = {GNU Parallel - The Command-Line Power Tool},", " author = {O. Tange},", " address = {Frederiksberg, Denmark},", " journal = {;login: The USENIX Magazine},", " month = {Feb},", " number = {1},", " volume = {36},", " url = {http://www.gnu.org/s/parallel},", " year = {2011},", " pages = {42-47}", " doi = {10.5281/zenodo.16303}", "}", "", "(Feel free to use \\nocite{Tange2011a})", "", "This helps funding further development; and it won't cost you a cent.", "If you pay 10000 EUR you should feel free to use GNU Parallel without citing.", "", "If you send a copy of your published article to tange\@gnu.org, it will be", "mentioned in the release notes of next version of GNU Parallel.\n\n", ); while(not -e $ENV{'HOME'}."/.parallel/will-cite") { print "\nType: 'will cite' and press enter.\n> "; my $input = ; if($input =~ /will cite/i) { mkdir $ENV{'HOME'}."/.parallel"; if(open (my $fh, ">", $ENV{'HOME'}."/.parallel/will-cite")) { close $fh; print "\nThank you for your support. It is much appreciated. The citation\n", "notice is now silenced. You may also use '--will-cite'.\n", "If you use '--will-cite' in scripts you are expected to pay\n", "the 10000 EUR, because you are making it harder to see the\n", "citation notice.\n\n";

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

see http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ and http://www.stupidhackathon.com/ and also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9521510

Given the comment you've just linked there leads with "This hackathon is a good example of the hypocrisy of the progressive movement", and you think "hackathon" is some sort of brand name requiring certification ... I urge you to consider the possibility that the problem lies not in the rest of the world outside yourself.

See my footnote at the start of this thread. And please stop progressive-splaining to me.

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you name your Hackathon "Stupid Shit No One Needs & Terrible Ideas Hackathon", I think it's perfectly acceptable to allow slightly NSFW content. And I don't agree anything there was overly negative or demeaning, it was all healthy satire. We don't have to hold every single developer event to the same standards as a Microsoft developer conference (which themselves don't always set high standards [1]). There are pla…

I don't believe that the difference is serious vs non-serious events. It's pretty clear that no company or group would dare to create a light hearted hackathon featuring sexual content, if it hadn't been proposed first by a progressive cause (in this case mocking startup culture for being a White cishet male bubble). And Microsoft apologized for that song[0]. Note that this event is sponsored by real tech companies.…

You forgot Egg Timer on the New York hackaton's page, which features a drawing of not one but four female ovaries, complete with blatant objectification: http://pamelaliou.com/blog/?p=367

When white women in the tech industry themselves are reprogrammed to be non-welcoming to diversities, you know there's a problem.

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you name your Hackathon "Stupid Shit No One Needs & Terrible Ideas Hackathon", I think it's perfectly acceptable to allow slightly NSFW content. And I don't agree anything there was overly negative or demeaning, it was all healthy satire. We don't have to hold every single developer event to the same standards as a Microsoft developer conference (which themselves don't always set high standards [1]). There are pla…

I don't believe that the difference is serious vs non-serious events. It's pretty clear that no company or group would dare to create a light hearted hackathon featuring sexual content, if it hadn't been proposed first by a progressive cause (in this case mocking startup culture for being a White cishet male bubble). And Microsoft apologized for that song[0]. Note that this event is sponsored by real tech companies.…

You seem to be really digging for some kind of SJW secret hackathon cabal or something, when the explanation is a lot simpler: crass and offensive jokes are funny but usually lack the staying power required to see them all the way through a hackathon.

If your argument is "Well, nobody but SJWs would possibly throw one of these and they do it just so they can taunt the rest of us" then I think you need to spend more time off in the real world.

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#36

This would be quite funny if it had not been attempted seriously in a major Gnu project already! Check out the SHAMELESS Ole Tange and his bizarre attempts to simultaneously force people to obey academic citations while at the same offering you the chance to throw the academic process in the bin for a mere 10000 EUR payment to him. I wish I was joking. GNU Nagware! It literally nags you with a warning message every t…

Does any distro keep that in their packages?

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the comment you've just linked there leads with "This hackathon is a good example of the hypocrisy of the progressive movement", and you think "hackathon" is some sort of brand name requiring certification ... I urge you to consider the possibility that the problem lies not in the rest of the world outside yourself.

See my footnote at the start of this thread. And please stop progressive-splaining to me.

"progressive-splaining* means what, exactly? I have a similar issue with the misused mansplaining, for what it's worth.

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#38
post #2

I never quite got why it's ok for the stupid hackathon projects to be negative, demeaning, and have NSFW content, even though these things are completely verboten in every other tech event. Is there some kind of certification[0] that the hackathon organizers got to be allowed to do this? EDIT: [0] What I meant was that it is as if organizations like this hackathon have some kind of certification that allows them to h…

Hi, founders of the Stupid Shit No One Needs & Terrible Ideas Hackathon (AKA "Stupid Hackathon") here, and yes we do have a certificate, linked below for future reference.

http://i.imgur.com/8Qp91cE.gif

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

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post #2

I never quite got why it's ok for the stupid hackathon projects to be negative, demeaning, and have NSFW content, even though these things are completely verboten in every other tech event. Is there some kind of certification[0] that the hackathon organizers got to be allowed to do this? EDIT: [0] What I meant was that it is as if organizations like this hackathon have some kind of certification that allows them to h…

Guess what: not everyone finds these sorts of things offensive. If a company that was trying to appeal to a very broad audience attempted something like this, sure, they'd be crucified (and I wouldn't be surprised or find anything wrong with that outcome). But events like these target the sorts of irreverent people who enjoy this type of humor. If you don't get it or find it offensive, I'm sure they don't really care, as you aren't their target audience.

I'm getting quite tired of the idea that there isn't room in the world for things like this. Lighten up, don't be so uptight, and recognize that people's tastes are different, and events like this don't have to inherently be of harm to anyone. Hell, if you look at the main page for the SF event at Noisebridge[1], they explicitly call out a link to Noisebridge's anti-harassment policy and community standards for the event. They seem well aware of the concept of keeping the event a safe place.

[1] https://stupidhackathon.github.io/

Re: Show HN: Turn GNU command line tools into SaaS – Stupid Hackathon Project

#40
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There certainly are tech events that not shy away from such things, as much as there are hackathons that do not like such projects. Also, most hackathons don't select the projects beforehand, whereas other events have to explain why they selected "bad" content.

What other tech events did you have in mind? And if you check out the hackathons website [0] and the previous hackathon [1], they are showcasing exactly the offensive content that I was describing in my post. [0] http://stupidhackathon.github.io/ [1] http://www.stupidhackathon.com/

Looking at those links, I don't see anything "negative" or "demeaning" as you suggest farther up the thread. NSFW, sure, there are some projects that would easily qualify, but... who cares? Many things that are NSFW are what make life worth living.

Remember, we're talking about subjective measures here. One person's "demeaning" might be another's "hilarious". Are you now the arbiter of taste? Standard rules apply: if you don't like it, don't participate. If you feel the need to protest, that's your right, but understand that many people will consider you uptight and unreasonable.

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