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Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

#131
"Education is a human right"

No, no it isn't. Internet isn't a human right. Human Rights to not require any transaction or service. Human Rights are inherent in personhood, they are observed and respected not provided for.

I have the Human Right to speak my mind, it costs you nothing.

I have the Human Right to defend myself, it costs you nothing.

I have the Human Right to own property, it costs you nothing.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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I lived in Chile for several years. I think this is a bad idea for several reasons. First off, one of the things that makes Chile great is that its education system is independant of the government. It results in chileans who are markedly better at critical thinking than americans. (While there one of the things I did was work with high school and college students and of course got to know a lot of chileans.) Their s…

Is this good for the poor people who can not afford it? Will it make a difference? Certainly. Will this result in a more highly skilled, and a more highly educated population? Yes. People should still be able to afford private schools if they can now. The American idea that you can't mix socialism and capitalism is absurd! (urg, just saying these words makes me feel like I'm using outdated old ideas from the 1800's!)…

>Societies much better than USA are mixing them well with great effect.

For example...?

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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Here in Argentina, We have since 1821 the University of Buenos Aires, free of charge. There are many public and free of charge universities across the country. Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Buenos_Aires

It would be interesting to know the impact this has in the country. Do you know if Argentina has better equality and social mobility because of this? Or if the economy does better as a result? Are there private universities in Argentina? What percentage of the population go to college? and out of those who do, what percentage goes to public/free universities? How does the quality of education at those schools compare…

Education quality is generally better in public colleges. A huge part of the population start college, either public or private, but very few finish because it is very hard to complete a career, often taking 8 or 10 years for an engineering degree.

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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Where exactly are you getting the figure that 45% of the USA is illiterate? Measured rates are closer to 1%. That kind of absurd exaggeration really discredits your point.

I meant functionally illiterate. Reading level of US adults at a proficient level is only 13% http://www.statisticbrain.com/number-of-american-adults-who-...

You're misrepresenting what that stat means. ~86% of Americans are functionally literate.

It's ridiculous these kinds of claims even make it to HN comments.

Proficient on the survey that derives from, is the highest possible ranking. Proficient on that survey does not equate to functional; anything at or above basic is functional.

About half the 14% of people that fall below functional, do so because of language barrier problems related to not speaking English as a first language.

https://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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I lived in Chile for several years. I think this is a bad idea for several reasons. First off, one of the things that makes Chile great is that its education system is independant of the government. It results in chileans who are markedly better at critical thinking than americans. (While there one of the things I did was work with high school and college students and of course got to know a lot of chileans.) Their s…

Is this good for the poor people who can not afford it? Will it make a difference? Certainly. Will this result in a more highly skilled, and a more highly educated population? Yes. People should still be able to afford private schools if they can now. The American idea that you can't mix socialism and capitalism is absurd! (urg, just saying these words makes me feel like I'm using outdated old ideas from the 1800's!)…

You're wrong about the 45% illiteracy rate.

There are four scoring levels: below basic, basic, intermediate, proficient.

14% of Americans fall below basic, which is the line for functionally literate.

https://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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No matter what Governments try to tell you, nothing is this world is free -- especially education. There's a general rule in Economics that says whatever the government touches turns to shit. Even if you think that the higher education will be "free", it'll be completely inferior compared to free-market education. In addition, you now have to combat against Socialist propaganda on a daily basis. It's time for humanit…

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Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this good for the poor people who can not afford it? Will it make a difference? Certainly. Will this result in a more highly skilled, and a more highly educated population? Yes. People should still be able to afford private schools if they can now. The American idea that you can't mix socialism and capitalism is absurd! (urg, just saying these words makes me feel like I'm using outdated old ideas from the 1800's!)…

You're wrong about the 45% illiteracy rate. There are four scoring levels: below basic, basic, intermediate, proficient. 14% of Americans fall below basic, which is the line for functionally literate. https://nces.ed.gov/naal/kf_demographics.asp

There used to be five levels, but only a 3-4% of Americans scored 376 or higher, out of 500.

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93275.pdf

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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Chile is corrupt from top to bottom. It's true that you can't bribe the cops, and Chileans are very proud of this (primarily because you can bribe the cops in Argentina), but access to opportunity in Chile is almost 100% dependent on who you know. The entire business class has raised nepotism to an art form. While free university education sounds good, even going to a top-ranked school like Universidad de Chile isn't…

> access to opportunity in Chile is almost 100% dependent on who you know isn't this true everywhere? how can you take an opportunity from a person you don't know?

In India, access to the top univeristies is completely determined by score on an entrance exam. Many major employers prefer to hire graduates from IIT. If you find a way to score well, you can get a pretty good job. Maybe not CEO, but a top-5%ile income.

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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I lived in Chile for several years. I think this is a bad idea for several reasons. First off, one of the things that makes Chile great is that its education system is independant of the government. It results in chileans who are markedly better at critical thinking than americans. (While there one of the things I did was work with high school and college students and of course got to know a lot of chileans.) Their s…

> markedly better at critical thinking than americans.

>Their schools are all about education and keeping the people sending their kids there happy-- by educating them.

by far the largest compaint against US colleges is that the don't teach students, because the students pay the bills, and the students want to be happy -> amenities and easy grades, not a tough education.

> When government is paying the bills, turning out good citizens is the goal. This is why the football players are the heroes of most schools and the computer nerds are beat up.

What does the government care about football players? Computer nerds are useful, productive, revenue-generating citizens.

> This is why schools are enacting absurd zero tolerance policies. This is why standardized tests and teachers tenure and unions are so bad.

What does this have to due with "good citizens" ?

Your post makes no sense.

Re: Chile is introducing free higher education

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And what is drop out rate in first semester?

It's incredibly bad. ~40% after first semester. 60%+ will fail the first year. That first year is basically a post high-school buffer. Netherlands have a one year gap for kids to cool off and find what motivates them. France should really adopt that.

"Netherlands have a one year gap for kids to cool off and find what motivates them."

What? No we don't.

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