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Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by geon »

jackmaney wrote: post #10
jackmaney wrote: post #2

Pro Tip: if I have to dig through eight paragraphs of fluff to find out what the fuck your product is, then you REALLY need to rethink the description of your product. In particular, it was not at all clear what was meant by a "programming platform". Until I finally stumbled onto the description below, I thought it was just another web-based IDE. > What is the Unison platform? At a high level, it consists of three co…

As with many things in life, there's also a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/927/

I don't see how that is relevant. The author's complaint isn't that there are too many languages, but that none of them are good enough.

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by xrstf »

A few mockups or screenshots would have helped me immensely to understand this "next gen text-based-programming killer", that is ironically described exclusively in plaintext. In my head, ideas range from visual programming language to programmable spreadsheet, with no clear picture of even how the language looks.

I'm so confused...

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by davedx »

jackmaney wrote: post #2

Pro Tip: if I have to dig through eight paragraphs of fluff to find out what the fuck your product is, then you REALLY need to rethink the description of your product. In particular, it was not at all clear what was meant by a "programming platform". Until I finally stumbled onto the description below, I thought it was just another web-based IDE. > What is the Unison platform? At a high level, it consists of three co…

Pro tips:

* Be courteous when offering constructive criticism (that means, for example, don't swear at people)

* Often it's not the project owners posting things on HN - many projects aren't necessarily ready for public consumption when they end up on here

* This doesn't even appear to be a "product". It's an open source project that seems to have been recently put out there

Absolutely typical that this is the top rated comment. Hacker News, you SUCK.

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by fasteo »

> Perhaps 70% of developer time is spent dealing with parsing, serialization, and persistence. Values are encoded to and from JSON, to and from various binary formats, and to and from various persistent data stores… over and over again.

> Another 25% is spent on explicit networking. We don’t merely specify that a value must be sent from one node to another, we also specify how in exhaustive detail.

>Somewhere in between all this plumbing code is a tiny amount of interesting, pure computation, which takes up the remaining 5% of developer time.

> These numbers are made up, of course, but if anything they are optimistic

Optimistic for your argument, that is.

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by jackmaney »

davedx wrote: post #44
jackmaney wrote: post #2

Pro Tip: if I have to dig through eight paragraphs of fluff to find out what the fuck your product is, then you REALLY need to rethink the description of your product. In particular, it was not at all clear what was meant by a "programming platform". Until I finally stumbled onto the description below, I thought it was just another web-based IDE. > What is the Unison platform? At a high level, it consists of three co…

Pro tips: * Be courteous when offering constructive criticism (that means, for example, don't swear at people) * Often it's not the project owners posting things on HN - many projects aren't necessarily ready for public consumption when they end up on here * This doesn't even appear to be a "product". It's an open source project that seems to have been recently put out there Absolutely typical that this is the top ra…

> * Be courteous when offering constructive criticism (that means, for example, don't swear at people)

This may shock you, but the internet wasn't fucking built for five year olds.

> * Often it's not the project owners posting things on HN - many projects aren't necessarily ready for public consumption when they end up on here

That doesn't mean that they aren't open to constructive criticism.

> * This doesn't even appear to be a "product". It's an open source project that seems to have been recently put out there

Fine. s/product/project/. Better?

> Absolutely typical that this is the top rated comment. Hacker News, you SUCK.

Language!

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by wlievens »

fasteo wrote: post #47

> Perhaps 70% of developer time is spent dealing with parsing, serialization, and persistence. Values are encoded to and from JSON, to and from various binary formats, and to and from various persistent data stores… over and over again. > Another 25% is spent on explicit networking. We don’t merely specify that a value must be sent from one node to another, we also specify how in exhaustive detail. >Somewhere in betw…

Yeah in my experience, the real time sink is the disproportionate cost of making a decent user interface, regardless of framework or environment.

Re: Unison: a next-generation programming platform

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Post by Dewie3 »

mnx wrote: post #31
Dewie3 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that this editor will supposedly not even allow the code to be in a state of type errors . You literally can not construct a program that is not well-typed. Don't ask me how that editing experience is supposed to work, or if it's a good idea.

Actually, that sounds terrible. I already am sometimes annoyed when I try to first use a variable, and then go back and decide where should I declare it - visual studio doesn't like that - literally not being able to go through a broken state would be annoying.

I'm annoyed just by simple error-messages (like in Eclipse) while I'm editing in a "broke" state. I know that this class isn't valid Java yet, Eclipse; shut up! :)
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