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The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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Re: The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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I have attended on many occasions top AI conferences and have spoken to more researchers than I care or could count. I can tell you there is a very little interest in "intelligent machines"[1]. Rather, everyone I have ever met works on different types of problem solving techniques. What constitutes a "problem" and what makes a successful "technique" differ wildly. Taking a step back however and analysing the field as…

I would expect to get this kind of impression from an average researcher, because that's what average researchers do (even at AI conferences). What do the top researchers think? Google paid 10M per head for DeepMind guys, explicitly working on AGI. Top researchers at FB works on specifing "Artificial tasks for artificial intelligence" ( http://www.iclr.cc/doku.php?id=iclr2015:main#antoine_bordes ), basically a better…

> I would expect to get this kind of impression from an average researcher

Not even out of the gate and already reaching for an ad-hominem. You must be fun at parties.

> What do the top researchers think?

The same thing. Except when they're in front of a camera. Then they get all stupid and start talking about machines being on the cusp of taking over. This phenomenon can be observed all the way back to the origins of AI. After the interview is over these same researchers go back into the lab and are once again searching and sorting.

> There is a lot of work on combining graphical models with logic, for example Pedro Domingos' work, the goal is clearly machine reasoning.

I feel there is a difference between automated reasoning and intelligence. All current AI is just machines imbued with human insight and (often, especially in the most effective cases) domain-specific knowledge. These efforts manifest as search and sort techniques that allow said machines to analyse facts and propagate information in order to select from myriad possible actions. There is no intelligence here except that which we provide. It's all smoke and mirrors. We don't even know what intelligence is; how can we aspire to replicate it? AI researchers are, by-and-large, just Computer Scientists. Not biologists, not psychologists; just guys and gals working with ever more elaborate Turing Machines. The algorithms they come up with are without exception dumb dumb dumb.

> Google paid 10M per head for DeepMind guys, explicitly working on AGI

Please. DeepMind is just a startup based on (among other things) David Silver's work into reinforcement learning. Google is not interested in these guys because they want intelligent machines; they just want automatons to better sift through reams of data in order to make recommendations and better sell you crap you do not need.

Re: The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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I would expect to get this kind of impression from an average researcher, because that's what average researchers do (even at AI conferences). What do the top researchers think? Google paid 10M per head for DeepMind guys, explicitly working on AGI. Top researchers at FB works on specifing "Artificial tasks for artificial intelligence" ( http://www.iclr.cc/doku.php?id=iclr2015:main#antoine_bordes ), basically a better…

> I would expect to get this kind of impression from an average researcher Not even out of the gate and already reaching for an ad-hominem. You must be fun at parties. > What do the top researchers think? The same thing. Except when they're in front of a camera. Then they get all stupid and start talking about machines being on the cusp of taking over. This phenomenon can be observed all the way back to the origins o…

> Not even out of the gate and already reaching for an ad-hominem. You must be fun at parties.

I think you misunderstood; I did not mean you're an average researcher - I have no idea - but unless you hang our with hotshots at AI/ML conferences (which is a bit of a club) you're hanging out with average researchers.

Re: The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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> I would expect to get this kind of impression from an average researcher Not even out of the gate and already reaching for an ad-hominem. You must be fun at parties. > What do the top researchers think? The same thing. Except when they're in front of a camera. Then they get all stupid and start talking about machines being on the cusp of taking over. This phenomenon can be observed all the way back to the origins o…

> Not even out of the gate and already reaching for an ad-hominem. You must be fun at parties. I think you misunderstood; I did not mean you're an average researcher - I have no idea - but unless you hang our with hotshots at AI/ML conferences (which is a bit of a club) you're hanging out with average researchers.

Do I really need to start mentioning names and h-indexes for you to take my point seriously?

Re: The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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if (nearby() == human) {dontTouch(); abort() ; } There, i solved that. The question is under what conditions would a machine remove that instruction and how could those conditions be reached?

Define nearby(). Because if the AI starts eating chunks of our planet we will get hurt as well. INB4 Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics don't work. Actually, a lot of Asimov's writing is concerned with exploring their corner cases.

I have come to believe that corner cases quickly turn fractal.

Once you think you have solved it, changing the "zoom" will demonstrate that your solution has created X more cases.

It may be a side effect of the halting problem.

Re: The Dawn of AI: How to ensure the promise outweighs the perils

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>"Crucially, this capacity is narrow and specific. Today’s AI produces the semblance of intelligence through brute number-crunching force, without any great interest in approximating how minds equip humans with autonomy, interests and desires." I'm not sure why we would want AI to have autonomy, interest, and desire? It's almost like solving a problem that doesn't exist.

Phrasing it this way leads to the implication of autonomy, interest, and desire being like these modular things, sort of Aristotelian "Things" that are bestowed upon minds, like Star Trek's Data putting in "the Emotion Chip." If you build a drone navigation system that can reroute based on weather conditions rather than being a manually human-guided remote control bot, you've given it some degree of "Autonomy." Give…

I see what point you are trying to make and would just say I'm not worried about plugging these things into a drone delivering parcels while rerouting through difficult weather.

However, I still don't see why you would want to take it beyond that. I imagine that some people do in fact want to put in "the Emotion Chip," and I still have the same question; why? I don't think human desire is the same as goal setting or that facial recognition is the same as interest. That's good programming, what I'm talking about is something different.

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