German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
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Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#2Happy to hear this, as an expat living in Berlin and being very concerned with the current NSA situation.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#3Happy to hear this, as an expat living in Berlin and being very concerned with the current NSA situation.
I'm also happy to hear this.
If another spy agency wants to know something they always have to state exactly what and why. Then, for each case, can be decided if help is given or not.
Foreignly spying is a criminal offence and must be prosecuted.
If it was ever different then there are serious fundamental problems that must be fixed.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#4Good, the more political fallout, the better.
These kinds of cold shoulders are the language of diplomacy and power. In some small abstract way, the US's ability to defend itself has been reduced by this action-- power has been reduced. The power players in the government will take note of this, and ultimately tiny intangible reductions will be unsustainable and policy will have to change.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#5Good, the more political fallout, the better. These kinds of cold shoulders are the language of diplomacy and power. In some small abstract way, the US's ability to defend itself has been reduced by this action-- power has been reduced. The power players in the government will take note of this, and ultimately tiny intangible reductions will be unsustainable and policy will have to change.
Yes, vulnarabilities are corrective measures.
This becomes clear when official are too safe in their seat. Power corrupts.
Nothing should be undefeatable. In this context, making a country vulnarable - to some degree - can be good.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#6The question here is, if it is only a temporary halt until the dust has settled. As much I read in the source, phone calls and faxes are still submitted, so it appears to me very half-hearted.
I know, that the German intelligence agency "BND" always wanted to have a more tight corporation with the NSA.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#7The question here is, if it is only a temporary halt until the dust has settled. As much I read in the source, phone calls and faxes are still submitted, so it appears to me very half-hearted. I know, that the German intelligence agency "BND" always wanted to have a more tight corporation with the NSA.
There is a significant difference between the collaboration of surveillance of fax and telephone on one side and the internet on the other side. In the former case, specific justification was and is needed for each selector. In the latter, case that was not the case.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#8Good, the more political fallout, the better. These kinds of cold shoulders are the language of diplomacy and power. In some small abstract way, the US's ability to defend itself has been reduced by this action-- power has been reduced. The power players in the government will take note of this, and ultimately tiny intangible reductions will be unsustainable and policy will have to change.
While I don't disagree that it is a strong political move, and an appropriate one, I have seen no proof that any of the NSA's operations have made the USA materially safer.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#9Good, the more political fallout, the better. These kinds of cold shoulders are the language of diplomacy and power. In some small abstract way, the US's ability to defend itself has been reduced by this action-- power has been reduced. The power players in the government will take note of this, and ultimately tiny intangible reductions will be unsustainable and policy will have to change.
While I don't disagree that it is a strong political move, and an appropriate one, I have seen no proof that any of the NSA's operations have made the USA materially safer.
"Being safe" does not matter as much as "having power" does.
Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA
#10The question here is, if it is only a temporary halt until the dust has settled. As much I read in the source, phone calls and faxes are still submitted, so it appears to me very half-hearted. I know, that the German intelligence agency "BND" always wanted to have a more tight corporation with the NSA.
There is a significant difference between the collaboration of surveillance of fax and telephone on one side and the internet on the other side. In the former case, specific justification was and is needed for each selector. In the latter, case that was not the case.
Are you sure? I'm not. Who controls what the BND is doing? Oh, yes, I know, they report to a group of politicians, right. They already admitted, that they are overworked and have not the facilities to check up the BND. Also, the BND already lied to parliament ... I guess, the BND is likely worse controlled than the NSA and the NSA has still more control over the BND than our own parliament, since the NSA is in the same building as the BND surveillance team, the politicians from parliament are not (they are hundreds of miles away in Berlin).