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Why React Native Is Different

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Re: Why React Native Is Different

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There's malice and then there's perception. One could certainly look at just about any colloquialism without intended malice and draw "microaggression" from it. Knowing where to draw that line is not - nor has it ever been - universal.

You're literally describing what microaggressions are: Small interactions, any one of which is harmless and without ill intent, which accumulate over the course of the day, week, or lifetime as an atmosphere of pervasive discrimination which is completely invisible to those responsible for creating it. Microaggressions are insidious precisely because they're so innocuous; they let well-intentioned people participate…

I don't mean to be curt, but:

> harmless and without ill intent

ag·gres·sion əˈɡreSHən/ noun hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront.

Aggression is, by default, defined by intent, not perception.

> You're a well-meaning person, and you want to avoid causing unnecessary harm with your words. So when you're around people who have really different life experiences than you, how do you make sure you don't cause harm without meaning to?

This was my point about there existing no universal set of social rules. So when someone says "don't say X, it's offensive," I have a tendency to look at that as more a matter of latter-day Tumblr cause celebre than anything real.

As a matter of brutal honesty, when someone tells me that X is offensive to them, I respond by not doing X anymore. I don't accept wide swath rules about such things and apply them universally, unless I observe them with any frequency in the wild. If we all cast that net, communication would be extraordinarily difficult and language impossibly rigid and uninteresting.

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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You're literally describing what microaggressions are: Small interactions, any one of which is harmless and without ill intent, which accumulate over the course of the day, week, or lifetime as an atmosphere of pervasive discrimination which is completely invisible to those responsible for creating it. Microaggressions are insidious precisely because they're so innocuous; they let well-intentioned people participate…

yea. Agression implies intent. Microagression does not. Which can actually be kinda confusing to folks not familiar with it, but this is true of many sets of jargon, not just Social Justice.

It's definitely a crappy word out of context, and the defensiveness is probably to be expected. Who are you calling aggressive!...

On the other hand, it's routinely frustrating when especially technical communities, full to bursting with misappropriations of common terms, seem especially unable to see past the letters in a word to its meaning in context. Maybe we just intrinsically don't believe that other areas of inquiry could be so complex as to need their own jargon...

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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It's not actually figuring anything out. The header is specified in vw units, which are relative to the size of the viewport.

For a text article, that's just bad design.

I feel like this is a misbehavior in browsers' zoom function, though the effect is the same. Does anyone know if the standard actually requires this quirk?

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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You're literally describing what microaggressions are: Small interactions, any one of which is harmless and without ill intent, which accumulate over the course of the day, week, or lifetime as an atmosphere of pervasive discrimination which is completely invisible to those responsible for creating it. Microaggressions are insidious precisely because they're so innocuous; they let well-intentioned people participate…

yea. Agression implies intent. Microagression does not. Which can actually be kinda confusing to folks not familiar with it, but this is true of many sets of jargon, not just Social Justice.

The word isn't really my issue, although I cannot argue it's poorly constructed.

My issue is the idea that one person or group can universally dictate that "X is offensive to Y." That's an impossible thing to do, and it has a side effect of dictating what's offensive instead of responding to what's offensive.

I have no horse in the SJW goings on, but my casual observation has been that there's as much creation of social taboos as there is attempts to raise awareness of existing ones. In either event, a one-size-fits-all approach is misguided.

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You're literally describing what microaggressions are: Small interactions, any one of which is harmless and without ill intent, which accumulate over the course of the day, week, or lifetime as an atmosphere of pervasive discrimination which is completely invisible to those responsible for creating it. Microaggressions are insidious precisely because they're so innocuous; they let well-intentioned people participate…

I don't mean to be curt, but: > harmless and without ill intent ag·gres·sion əˈɡreSHən/ noun hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront. Aggression is, by default, defined by intent, not perception. > You're a well-meaning person, and you want to avoid causing unnecessary harm with your words. So when you're around people who have really different life experiences than yo…

> I don't mean to be curt

I'll repay the same courtesy: Your argument is predicted and refuted by your sibling thread of twenty minutes ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9501084

Microaggression is a term of jargon, as Google would have happily informed you. Its root word, not its synonym, is "aggression". Microaggressions are by definition not intended to hurt, or they would be, you know, aggressions.

That's an important concept, because it augments your theory of mind with this fact: There are things that you do, from time to time, that hurt other people in ways too small for them to complain about. For the most part, these things are random and not worth the effort to try to predict and avoid. And no one would ever call out one of these things as offensive, because taken individually, they aren't.

But certain individuals, and certain groups of people, are "randomly" subject to that sort of thing far more often than others. Your barely-hurtful word is a barely-wet raindrop in the ocean of hurt that defines their world. And certainly you can't do anything about their ocean, but maybe, sometimes, it could be worth your effort to not participate.

Basically, I'm not trying to give you rules to follow. I'm trying to suggest that the world does have patterns, and the way to relate to patterns is with rules. So please, make your own rules, but don't reject the whole idea-- or else live in a world you understand and fit in to a little bit less.

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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Alright so looking at the comments we've got one person complaining about the naming of the framework, one person complaining about the argument of sexism surrounding the use of the word "guys" in a gender-neutral context, one person complaining about the UI of the blog itself, and one meetup recommendation. (And now we have one comment complaining about the other comments, BINGO!) Nice work HN! James, thanks for the…

Thank you! I don't really care about poor comments (I've come to expect them), but the only thing that makes me sad is that it triggered HN's "controversy" mechanism and dropped the article about 20 places in a few minutes. When an article gets more comments than votes, this kicks in.

Ah well, such is social media :)

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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I just wish people and companies would get over this "react(ive)" naming fetish. It reminds me of back in the late 90's when everything was Web-this and Web-that. It makes the distinctions really hard to google for. React, reactive, functional-reactive, etc. Overloading gets in the way of learning and progress.

I don't see the complaint. It's "React", not "Reactive" — even though React is inspired by principles from reactive programming, it is only tangentially related, and I don't see how it can be construed as an instance of fethisism, or how you could possibly find it so offensive.

You can interpret the name in any number of ways. UIs are all about "reacting" to user input and data changes, for example.

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I don't mean to be curt, but: > harmless and without ill intent ag·gres·sion əˈɡreSHən/ noun hostile or violent behavior or attitudes toward another; readiness to attack or confront. Aggression is, by default, defined by intent, not perception. > You're a well-meaning person, and you want to avoid causing unnecessary harm with your words. So when you're around people who have really different life experiences than yo…

> I don't mean to be curt I'll repay the same courtesy: Your argument is predicted and refuted by your sibling thread of twenty minutes ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9501084 Microaggression is a term of jargon, as Google would have happily informed you. Its root word, not its synonym, is "aggression". Microaggressions are by definition not intended to hurt, or they would be, you know, aggressions. That's…

To be fair, I responded within that sibling, even before this response.

I will reiterate, though, that it's impossible to capture or represent the feelings of a large group with a one-sized-fits-all rule. Whether I accept them or reject them depends exclusively on the reality of the situation and audience.

Re: Why React Native Is Different

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> There's no need to create an implicit bias when saying something like, "We'll need to recruit some Python guys to deal with this." I might question whether the speaker or the listener would be the one creating the supposed bias in that case.

As is usual with communication, the answer of "who creates the resulting effect" is "both the speaker and listener, not one or the other". Particularly, in this case, the speaker's contribution comes by choosing a term which has both a male-gender-specific and a gender-neutral sense rather than something unambiguously gender-neutral.

Are you defining ambiguity by the number of people who report to have each interpretation? I suspect if you asked 1,000 American native English speakers (I don't know about English in other countries) how they interpreted that usage of "guys," the overwhelming majority would respond with the gender-neutral interpretation. Even among the people who are offended by the potential male-only interpretation, I suspect that for most it would be clear that they actually did understand the speaker's intentions.
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