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Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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$4.5B Valuation for an SaaS business that doesn't charge for it's service and makes money from commissions? Did they invent something no one else can do? Why would insurance companies not just scrap the middle man and build their own thing?

Why would hardware companies not just build their own operating system?

Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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post #11

$4.5B Valuation for an SaaS business that doesn't charge for it's service and makes money from commissions? Did they invent something no one else can do? Why would insurance companies not just scrap the middle man and build their own thing?

Why would hardware companies not just build their own operating system?

Like Apple?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about other insurance companies, but the ones I know are incredibly bad at building software (I don't know any in the healthcare or HR business though). Still, they're burning a very worrying amount of money.

Zenefits are one of the few companies where the burn rate is probably inevitable. They're trying to get a secure foothold in a market that has slow-moving, largely technologically ignorant companies who are very wealthy. That wealth could be used to leverage the incumbent companies' dominant position if someone successfully starts to disrupt things. They need to get to a position where they can't be crowded out by th…

Uber and paypal had the advantage of offering a service that wasn't strictly specific to the USA. I can only use Zenefits in the states; the way HR works is totally different in Canada and Europe, much less India, China, etc.

Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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$4.5B Valuation for an SaaS business that doesn't charge for it's service and makes money from commissions? Did they invent something no one else can do? Why would insurance companies not just scrap the middle man and build their own thing?

> Why would insurance companies not just scrap the middle man and build their own thing?

One of the benefits of an HR solution like Zenefits is that it lets you shop among and switch between insurance providers. A captive solution wouldn't be able to do this as well or as independently as a third-party company. Zenefits also helps companies with more than insurance, services which would presumably be less interesting for an insurance carrier to provide.

Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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A fella named Kevin from Zenefits sent me email once asking about our human resource needs. I told Kevin that we have no need for human resources since our company was run entirely by strong AI. I signed it, Yours in the Singularity. Kevin never emailed me back.

Guess he didn't need a friend with zenefits.

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My company had considered to switching to Zenefits, but decided to stick with the local middleman we've already got. The difference, according to HR, was that he knew for certain that a phone call to the current rep would fix almost any weird issue--with Zenefits, despite the convenience of doing things online, he couldn't be sure that was the case.

Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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A fella named Kevin from Zenefits sent me email once asking about our human resource needs. I told Kevin that we have no need for human resources since our company was run entirely by strong AI. I signed it, Yours in the Singularity. Kevin never emailed me back.

So essentially, he spammed you?

Re: Zenefits (YC W13) Just Raised $500M at a $4.5B Valuation

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Does anyone know of a Zenefits like business that serves the UK? I've not come across anything close and HR administration is just as big of pain in the UK as the US. I recognise the business model (commissions on health insurance) wouldn't work in the UK, but I'd be happy to pay. Our health insurance costs are so much lower anyway....

YOU'd be happy to pay, but maybe not the rest of the UK companies (or not that much, or not today, etc.). SO the growth of a UK-based Zenefits-clone will be much, much slower, and maybe never reach profitability. So I wouldn't count on that too much :/
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