Honest question: what does Microsoft stand to gain by doing all this work instead of just using WebKit?
ActiveX support and other backwards compatibility with 5/10 year old Intranet systems people have bought.
An Early Look At IE9 for Developers
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was it, thanks for the clarification. I still can't believe they're maintaining two distinct HTML renderers...
Describing what the Word engine does with HTML as "rendering" is probably being charitable.
Well, if Outlook uses the Word rendering engine, then at least it's somewhat decent, looking at some HTML formatted emails that fill my inbox.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying "lololol M$ i hope they die" is frowned upon. Post something with content, support your whining, talk about it. Microsoft have opened their internal development to the world over the past few years - this blog entry is an example - from all kinds of development teams, we have enormous amounts of insight into many of Microsoft's major products and access to give feedback to people who care. Don't just focus on…
Post something with content, support your whining, talk about it. Content? I did mention a few examples, didn't I? Well then, would you care to tell me why they're all invalid? I've done this kind of thing before, and every time someone disparages MS here, he's treading on thin ice. There will always be MS-apologists around. Microsoft have opened their internal development to the world over the past few years They su…
Everyone else on this page is posting interesting observations on Microsoft, development, and the web. It makes me angry that you've come into my little garden of contemplation and started yelling about irrelevant subjects.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Describing what the Word engine does with HTML as "rendering" is probably being charitable.
Well, if Outlook uses the Word rendering engine, then at least it's somewhat decent, looking at some HTML formatted emails that fill my inbox.
Only because a lot of HTML email is tested to make sure it’ll appear at least somewhat as expected in Outlook.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Describing what the Word engine does with HTML as "rendering" is probably being charitable.
Well, if Outlook uses the Word rendering engine, then at least it's somewhat decent, looking at some HTML formatted emails that fill my inbox.
This is a good point, but having just designed an HTML formatted email don't discount the fact that Outlook is popular enough to gain bend-over-backwards-to-make-it-work status. Having said that, it wasn't too difficult to get it looking good.
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#76Microsoft can replace IE8, but can they replace IE6?
Very true. As happy as I am to see all the great feature support in IE9, it's going to be a long time before we can write CSS like this for any kind of mass audience.
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I believe I mentioned denial. Take a look at that video of angry muslims, by the way :) I wonder if this will get me banned. I'm not trying to get banned, but it might happen. It'll be interesting to find out.
Just say "hitler" already so we can know the conversation is over and prune this ridiculous tangent of a thread from the top of the page...
Yeah, or you could give things some thought, find out for yourself, and join the choir. Instead, you're proudly taking in the scenery inside your rectum.
I was just trying to spread awareness. It feels weird to even say that, but something has to be done. Of course, it could be argued that this is not the place for warning the world about the insanity that is Islam, but what is?
There's no forum in the world for talking about how dangerous Islam is, where people wouldn't already agree.
HN on the other hand, is full of intelligent people who certainly should be able to handle coming across material that is unpleasant to digest, and adjust their world views accordingly.
There really was some kind of protest full of enraged muslims in London, who were pretty much saying that they'll destroy Europe, and it sure wasn't the only enraged protest they've made. They really genuinely did kill a man for making a short movie that talked about Islam. Shouldn't this kind of stuff at least raise an eyebrow or two? Can you really dismiss all of this as Crazy Talk? Should you? Or should you maybe find out for yourself? Go on, confirm that I'm crazy. I dare you!
There's a blogger in Finland who's been talking about Islam & (muslim) immigrants for years, but only became famous last year when enough people noticed. He became the victim of a nation-wide witch-hunt lead by the local media, and eventually even got fined for something he said on his blog. You see, in Finland we have freedom of speech as long as we're careful not to say anything unpleasant. I was somewhat surprised he didn't get thrown in jail.
What the blogger has done requires giant balls of steel. What I'm doing here is the only thing I'm aware I can, however misplaced or aggravating it might be.
Also, "hitler".
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#7832/100 is a little underwhelming. If it's a focus on standards then it's still dreadful. Am I missing something?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saying "lololol M$ i hope they die" is frowned upon. Post something with content, support your whining, talk about it. Microsoft have opened their internal development to the world over the past few years - this blog entry is an example - from all kinds of development teams, we have enormous amounts of insight into many of Microsoft's major products and access to give feedback to people who care. Don't just focus on…
Post something with content, support your whining, talk about it. Content? I did mention a few examples, didn't I? Well then, would you care to tell me why they're all invalid? I've done this kind of thing before, and every time someone disparages MS here, he's treading on thin ice. There will always be MS-apologists around. Microsoft have opened their internal development to the world over the past few years They su…
Content? I did mention a few examples, didn't I? Well then, would you care to tell me why they're all invalid?
They are invalid in a discussion about IE9 developments because they aren't about IE9. They are valid in a discussion about web development in general... except they are arguing against your citing 'netscape' and 'holding back web development' because this blog is about MS not holding back web development and not destroying a competing browser. In other words, Microsoft has moved on from those (e.g. this page) so those aren't good support for your complaints anymore.
People in this page are saying bad things about Microsoft, about their javascript interpreter speed, their lack of canvas support and rounded corners and font handling and they aren't being voted down. Any guesses why?
I am an MS apologist. I have worked with their stuff for the last six years and find it (mostly) better than I previously thought, and not deserving of quite as much of the mudslinging as actually happens online.
Islam
Don't know anything much about Islam and couldn't give two whoots. Particularly don't want to discuss religion or country/world politics on HN, even more so in a thread about an IT topic. By the way, I also don't want to discuss dishwasher detergent, pie recipes, good books on optical illusions or how to build a canoe.
Re: An Early Look At IE9 for Developers
#80Maybe I'm just an optimist but I'm really glad to see that MS is even looking at the Acid3 and SunSpider tests as important metrics.
Microsoft's efforts towards (de facto or de jure) standards compliance are dismal.
I've been working on a client-side app since before IE7 came out. The much hyped IE7 release gave us some performance benefits, but apart from that it just added another IE release that had to be tested and tested.
IE8 made things even worse.
We now have scenarios that work fine in all recent (going back 1 to 3 major versions, you know, everything over the last few years) of Opera, Firefox, Chrome and Safari, but IE? Hahaha, you must be joking. It works in IE6 and IE8, but not IE7. Or just in IE8, or in IE6 and IE8, but not IE7...
And now they're threatening to unleash yet another IE version.
Why couldn't they just stick with IE8 for the time being and fix things there? (And don't tell me 'the version number is just marketing', we all know that major releases entail lots and lots of changes and 'fixing things we messed up before').