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Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

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Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#81
I grew up on a farm. Not surprised to see this decision in the slightest. Farming is tough -- physically, financially, and in the end emotionally. But it is still a very rewarding life.

I can remember sitting on my grandfather's lap, riding on his John Deere two-cylinder (it was called a Johnny Popper.) Pre-school? I went to pre-farming. I was probably 3 years old the first time I rode a tractor.

By the time I was 8, I was driving that popper while two of my grandfather's farm hands tossed hay bales onto a flatbed trailer. We drove back to the barn, and I scampered up to the second floor and waited as those guys tossed those hay bales up through a huge opening. I had to stack the hay bales, and had to run my ass off to keep up. Then, we'd do it all over again until the barn was full. I was exhausted every day, but my grandfather allowed me to drink my first beer with those guys when we were finished. It sounds awful, but it was an amazing experience.

I'm no longer out in the field. For me now, the feeling of working on something with my hands is cathartic. Some of my best days for relaxing involve doing simple yardwork around our house.

The farm life works for some people, but not for others. What is great is that no one need debate whether that choice is right -- it only matters to yourself. Good for this guy, I think he made a great choice for himself.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#82
post #18

I wish I was able to feel good doing manual labor or outdoors activities but I just can't for the most part. That includes farming, carpenting, fishing, sailing etc. My father is a very handy man, and I've tried to keep an open mind, but I just dread every second of it. Still, I go fishing and sailing with him just to hang out, and he doesn't know how I feel about it. Guess I'm lucky to be living in this day and age,…

Thanks for the input, another. I feel the same way except that I do enjoy the fishing with my Dad. But I do desire to enjoy and be good at the other stuff, I'm just not.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#83

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Many of them end up going back to the not-so-simple life in a few years so I'm hesitant to read too much into an early account like this.

Worked for Thoreau.

Thoreau abandoned his cabin after 2 years.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#84
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I grew up in the suburbs and hated it. I hated the idea of having to go long distances to get milk and eggs. I'm happy now in a city centre.

I have this feeling that kids tend to hate where they grow up due to all of the perceived failings and things they're missing out on. I grew up in a relaxed beach town in Florida, and hated it. My family all moved from NYC and fell in love in a heartbeat. Something about not being in the same place for too long applies here, too.

I was born in a large city and we moved to a rural area when I was in grade school. We lived there for years and it was okay, but when I was a teenager I moved out at 16 and made my way back to the big city.

I never moved back to the country. Okay to visit, but fuck that, I realized quickly that I much preferred the city over the country.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#85

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I grew up in the suburbs and hated it. I hated the idea of having to go long distances to get milk and eggs. I'm happy now in a city centre.

I never understood that about America. I've been lost in the suburbs in Michigan once, driving along for ages with just house after house after house, and thinking, "where's the local shop?" Surely it's got to be worth someone setting up a local shop every couple of miles?

At a suburban population density of 640/mi^2 (1 acre/person), a circle with 3 mile radius covers 18000 people. A 2 mile radius covers 8000. A 1.5 mile radius covers 4500. A 1 mile radius, only 2000. A 0.5 mile radius has 500 people in it.

Realistically, a person walking at 3 mi/h won't walk more than 0.5 miles to visit the local shop, and a person bicycling at 12 mi/h won't go more than 3. They won't, unless they are combining trips. If the shop is on the way to somewhere else, or a very short distance beyond their primary destination, they might go further overall.

But pedestrian and bicyclist infrastructure is practically nonexistent anywhere in the US except for a bare handful of cities and suburbs. Many places don't even have sidewalks. Nearly everyone uses an automobile for personal transport.

As such, the "local shop" is right there at the gas station. We call them "convenience stores". They are most often placed at the intersection of arterial roads. So if you are lost in the back streets of suburbia, you will never see one.

It doesn't make sense from a planning perspective, but it does from a money perspective. When a developer subdivides a large property, they reserve commercial lots next to the arterial road, and build access roads past those into the residential lots. In theory, once the houses are 80% built, all that residential traffic will be flowing past the commercial lots at least twice per day, and a business will build there.

In practice, the developer exits after 95% of the houses are built, dumps the remaining 5% and the commercial lots on a strawman company, moving on to the next subdivision, and those businesses never actually get constructed.

So you end up with huge areas of houses and very few businesses. There might be one strip mall every 3 miles, filled with businesses that usually last a few months before failing from lack of customers. (The exception is the pizza delivery, which will be absolutely thriving.)

Residential buildings simply have a higher profit margin. Think about that before you decide to trust the developer's "phase IV" plans, when you're buying in "phase I".

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#86
post #73

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You may have to accept a world where you need other people besides engineers.

World, maybe. But in terms of building a somewhat-self-sufficient community -- which seems to be what's being suggested here -- why wouldn't all-engineers work?

Land management, cooking, cleaning, child-rearing, teaching, schooling, animal husbandry, community health, repairs, safety, upkeep, music/arts/entertainment, policy... the list goes on

And while many engineers seem to believe they can do anything with applied knowledge -- practice and execution are two very different things.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#88
I admire this man for the honesty and courage to do something different. I read the companion post and got to this:

Today, however, I sit here writing this post as a 32-year-old man with a head of gray hair, a mind that cannot stop thinking a million miles a minute about a million different things, and eyes that have only been open to the digital world. I am burnt out on writing code. I am burnt out on configuration. I am burnt out on automating monotonous tasks. I am burnt out on completing tickets. I am burnt out on completing tickets that undo what those other tickets accomplished. I am burnt out on debugging third-party advertising code. I am burnt out on having 16 terminal tabs open. I am burnt out on contributing to the “connected” culture. I am burnt out on having a “40 hour” work week that actually occupies the majority of my mental time. I am burnt out on sitting at a desk. This state of being burnt out has invaded so much of my out-of-work life that I have decided to take my Life back.

So much of that is congruent with my experience as well. Yet, for reasons that seem hard to explain at first, I go deeper into the beast rather than move away from it (and my choice is in no way superior). I love what technology can do-- liberate humanity from drudgery, improve the human quality of life, make interactions and knowledge and discovery possible that wouldn't otherwise be-- and I enjoy the intellectual challenge. I hate so much of what it's actually used to do: serve the short-term economic interests of power-holders who are incompetent but don't want to give up their seats.

As much as I love being in the forest, I must be a natural urbanite because I have a natural draw toward being in the main fight. Even with the risk and clamor, I like carrying a sword (metaphorically speaking, since my chosen war is cultural and therefore fought by typing rather than swinging a blade). I feel like it is my destiny to be in the fight to take technology back from the current crop of useless power-holders. I want to be in this war, and I really fucking want to win it, but I can't blame anyone for wanting to get the fuck out of it and work on a farm. It's an appealing idea.

I'm not anti-farming (I mean, I like food) but I also recognize that, without technology, life would be a lot worse than it is right now. Not all of us can be farmers, not anymore. Munching Jira tickets to appease some middle manager may be a waste of life (nay, it is) but I still feel like what we do as technologists (or, at least, what we can do) is important. We're a part of evolution and progress... even if many of us get drawn down into nonsense.

Reading the OP, I'm really glad that he found work that enjoys and that gives him a sense of purpose, and I hope that that never changes for him. I also find it sad that technology gave him such a useless, negative experience (munching tickets instead of driving forward progress) and see fit to take that as a warning.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#89
While I certainly don't see myself rushing off to work on a farm, I do feel a bit lately like I'm looking for something "more". The day-to-day drudgery of sitting in cubicle is slowly turning me sour.

I've made the first steps to more working at home (just asking my boss). I'll start with 1 day a week and I'm already feeling great about that tiny shift.

Re: Death of a Programmer, Life of a Farmer

#90
What you are and what you do are 2 diffrent things.Programmer is a profession not a lifestyle. I was this Outdoor Guy, I did skiing instructor in the winter and mountainbike guide in the sommer. Later on I was this Soundtec Guy, you know doing shows in diffrent towns every night. My mistake and why I failed at both in the end was because I thought this would be my life while it only was my job. And like every job there are pros and cons and when times where getting harder I failed because I couldn't think of it as my only my job but my life. We tend to romanticize our jobs, which is I think is the basic problem here.
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