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Why Exercise Makes You Less Anxious

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Would driving a race car or something like that for 20 minutes a day give some of the same benefits as actually exercising? I have this theory that anxiety and depression are most commonly caused by sensory deprivation, which is obviously counter-intuitive, but it seems to match with both the clinical data and also with anecdotal evidence about how people self-medicate.

In terms of sensory deprivation tanks, Wikipedia says that it actually can relax you in the short term, and only causes anxiety after prolonged exposure (or lack thereof). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation

To explain my theory, basically I propose that the brain has two parts: the part that processes thoughts and patterns, and the part that processes incoming sensory data. With depression, information coming from the thought processing part of the brain becomes more salient, and the information coming from the sensory perception part of the brain becomes less salient. And basically the way to fix depression is by stimulating your sensory system with the right amount and type of sensory stimulation at the right time.

More specifically, my proposed mechanism is that during a state of depression, outside stimuli don't get processed properly because they are more than the brain can handle, thus you are essentially suffering from the effects of mild sensory deprivation even though you are surrounded by a normal amount of stimuli. And the way to fix this is by starting with less stimulation and then layering more stimuli on top so that you can 'jumpstart' the brain, so that it goes back to being able to normally process the level of incoming stimuli in the outside environment.

Note that this doesn't contradict any of the established ideas about serotonin deficiency, and I'm not at all recommending forgoing the traditional treatments.

My thinking is that the reason SNRIs and traditional treatments work is because they either involve stimulating the sensory processing part of the brain, or else (with CBT) they help people to avoid triggering excessive rumination.

What's the data? Look at both the recommended treatments and also the ways people self-medicate: there is listening to classical music, wearing more cologne, cuddling with someone else, cutting themselves, TMS/ECT, SSRI/SNRIs, acupuncture, exercise, increasing social contact, etc.

All of these are activities that increase the activity in the sensory perception part of the brain, so my thinking is that you can purposely increase the activity in this part of the brain by applying the right stimuli at the right time, and thus ultimately fix the problem by bringing your sensory perceptions back to the proper salience.

Anyway I was doing a little reading on depression a month ago on behalf of a couple friends, and this is just sort of a pattern I picked up. Not sure what to make of it, but I think it holds and is also very easy to test empirically, although I'm not a scientist so take it cum grano salis. Obviously there are purely biological or nutritional causes as well, but based on the extremely high efficacy of non-drug treatments it seems like there is something similar to what I'm describing going on.

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Hmm,

The reasoning involved in the experiment seems rather tenuous to me.

if we tried to under a computer only by how many 0's it wrote to memory for a given input, our understanding would be rather limit.

If a brain is highly tuned and complex thing, our ability to read the meaning of certain things firing or not firing for certain events is going to be limited.

The thing is the real progress is being made in far more detailed approaches than this - simulating whole fly brains or large parts of a cat brain. I suspect that this is where any real understanding is going to come from.

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Exercise does seem to steady my emotions, but that's not the greatest benefit I get from exercising. Health benefits aside, I can simply focus more. There's nothing like being able to sit down and fully comprehend the problem at hand because you went for a run earlier.

I think increased ability to focus and steady emotions are basically the same thing.

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Exercise does seem to steady my emotions, but that's not the greatest benefit I get from exercising. Health benefits aside, I can simply focus more. There's nothing like being able to sit down and fully comprehend the problem at hand because you went for a run earlier.

I think increased ability to focus and steady emotions are basically the same thing.

Not so for me.

Also, exercise doesn't seem to improve my ability to focus, though I've not tried controlling for other things (sleep, stimulants, etc.). Could be my focus would be worse were I not exercising regularly.

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It seems like an odd test to me. Swimming in cold water would test fitness more than ability to handle stress. And since some rats did not exercise they became less fit and would not handle the cold water test as well. Am I missing something?

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In terms of sensory deprivation tanks, Wikipedia says that it actually can relax you in the short term, and only causes anxiety after prolonged exposure (or lack thereof). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation

To explain my theory, basically I propose that the brain has two parts: the part that processes thoughts and patterns, and the part that processes incoming sensory data. With depression, information coming from the thought processing part of the brain becomes more salient, and the information coming from the sensory perception part of the brain becomes less salient. And basically the way to fix depression is by stimu…

Sounds commonsensical since my mom always said things like "you're depressed because you're just sitting there, go outside more!" And she was usually right. But..I know a bunch of busy workaholics who are pretty depressed, if you go by alcoholism and self-hatred. And when you say "the right amount and type of sensory stimulation at the right time" it sounds like you're just saying "the cure for depression is to find something to do that'll cure your depression," unless you've got a sharper idea of what you mean.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of sensory deprivation tanks, Wikipedia says that it actually can relax you in the short term, and only causes anxiety after prolonged exposure (or lack thereof). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation

To explain my theory, basically I propose that the brain has two parts: the part that processes thoughts and patterns, and the part that processes incoming sensory data. With depression, information coming from the thought processing part of the brain becomes more salient, and the information coming from the sensory perception part of the brain becomes less salient. And basically the way to fix depression is by stimu…

I like your theory. However, an alternative hypothesis within your framework could be that depression is a disorder where internal thoughts are overrepresented rather than external sensory experiences underrepresented. It seems like this could also result in the same coping behaviors eg cutting.

I wonder if a way to test these hypotheses would be to consider situations involving the expectation of a sensory experience and look for a mismatch between that and the actual sensation. You could do this with the rubber hand illusion or immersion in a virtual reality environment. A depressed person would putatively have an abnormal congruence between the magnitude of their internally generated brain states and external sensation.

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A recent Ask HN seemed to reveal there are a lot of people here with bipolar disorder (or bipolar tendencies, at least). For those of you who are bipolar, have you found exercise to be a cure-all or to work in combo with lithium/medication, or...? Basically looking for anecdotal advice here. (FWIW, I have bipolar II.)

This article just reminded me I wanted to raise the question here, but I don't think it warrants its own post.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To explain my theory, basically I propose that the brain has two parts: the part that processes thoughts and patterns, and the part that processes incoming sensory data. With depression, information coming from the thought processing part of the brain becomes more salient, and the information coming from the sensory perception part of the brain becomes less salient. And basically the way to fix depression is by stimu…

I like your theory. However, an alternative hypothesis within your framework could be that depression is a disorder where internal thoughts are overrepresented rather than external sensory experiences underrepresented. It seems like this could also result in the same coping behaviors eg cutting. I wonder if a way to test these hypotheses would be to consider situations involving the expectation of a sensory experienc…

"an alternative hypothesis within your framework could be that depression is a disorder where internal thoughts are overrepresented rather than external sensory experiences underrepresented."

I think both are happening. Basically internal thought processes increase to an unhealthy degree as a way of compensating for the decrease in sensory perception, which is the same thing as happens in a sensory deprivation tank.

I think the initial cause of the depression can be either not enough sensory stimulation or too much thinking, as happens when there is a traumatic or very stressful event. If the latter is the root cause then you may need CBT or meditation or something like that. But in both cases using my sensory jumpstart method would work to fix a bout of depression, although it will keep recurring until you change your lifestyle (sensory as root cause case) or come to terms with whatever is stressing you, or at least learn to avoid the negative thought triggers.

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A recent Ask HN seemed to reveal there are a lot of people here with bipolar disorder (or bipolar tendencies, at least). For those of you who are bipolar, have you found exercise to be a cure-all or to work in combo with lithium/medication, or...? Basically looking for anecdotal advice here. (FWIW, I have bipolar II.) This article just reminded me I wanted to raise the question here, but I don't think it warrants its…

My hypothesis is that exercise-as-such helps with mood disorders, exercise outdoors (to regulate circadian rhythms) helps more, and exercise with someone else (to have pleasant social interaction and a reality check on one's thinking during conversation) helps still more. I wouldn't recommend NOT taking standard medications--I've seen a lot of people get a lot of help from lithium, but lithium leads to weight gain for many people, so then the exercise becomes all the more necessary.
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