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Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by diminoten »

jace wrote: post #50
diminoten3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Internet.org is a set of interconnected computers. You want to get political and philosophical about what is and isn't the Internet, but Mumtaz in Bangalore wants to send $5 to his wife, and doesn't get to do that unless internet.org exists.

Mumtaz is a female name. And since that suggests you aren't very familiar with India, I'll recommend not assuming that Internet.org is the only way people are going to get Internet. It's not even taken seriously in India and got dragged into this debate only because of other proposals that are actually, intentionally malicious.

I work with a Mumtaz, are you telling me he's a lady?

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by diminoten »

nitrogen wrote: post #34
diminoten2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are not alternatives. I recommend you look at Google Loon before citing it as an actively running alternative in India. For the people who use Internet.org, there are literally no other ways to get online.

The problem with internet.org is it redefines "Internet" and "online" to mean "Facebook" and "Facebook". That is not the Internet, and the only thing truly "online" about it is the totally unencrypted and tracked browsing habits of the people. No number of token good-will sites or pay-to-play business sites will ever make this initiative the "Internet", and the wall of global segregation grows ever higher.

It's that, or literally nothing.

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by formatjam »

x0x0 wrote: post #43
spenvo wrote: post #5

- HTTPS is a premium feature not included in Internet.org's package... - Internet services/sites are whitelisted - essentially by Facebook. - ISP tracking is baked into consumers' access. (Like Verizon's SuperCookies, which have just been rolled back for US consumers.) - Select developers get to develop for the web ... but based off permission from higher ups. Because we all trust Facebook as a caretaker of a dev pla…

A free, ad-supported offering has limitations and appears to serve the advertiser, not the "user"? Cue internet outrage! If you are not paying for it, you’re not the customer; you’re the product being sold. -- blue_beetle on mefi It never gets less remarkable that people don't understand that.

I don't think this is the case here. This is a freemium model, hoping the people CAN afford internet but do not know they NEED it will pay for the normal services with the operator.

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by bugsmasher »

On Zuckerberg's understanding of Net Neutrality and User Privacy, I'd like to quote Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

Zuck has inadvertently admitted Internet-Org makes money by trading User Privacy. (Could the NSA be involved? Just asking) Wouldn't it be a good idea for a company like Facebook to make an entire generation of internet users believe that Privacy is not an option.

On April 17th, Zuck said they consult "Local Governments" to decide services (See his comment here during the QnA he had about Internet-Org: https://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10102033678947881?commen...). Now he's saying Facebook and Telcos will decide which services to allow. Was he lying through his teeth during the QnA?

And please watch this Internet-Org ad broadcast in India - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s390lZ5UXc4. Kindly enlighten me about who are they marketing it to?

I really respect Facebook and Zuck for their technological, business and charitable achievements. But it lessens with every passing day as Zuck hides an anti-Net Neutrality, anti-competitive and anti-privacy practice by giving it a false PR spin.

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by flycaliguy »

jasonkester wrote: post #44

So to paraphrase... Facebook: here's some free internet. Angry people: Boo! Not enough free internet!!! See also every free app in every App Store. It seems that this is just wired into human nature.

Your paraphrase is missing the other times white people showed up and built stuff "for them".

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by nitrogen »

diminoten wrote: post #52
nitrogen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with internet.org is it redefines "Internet" and "online" to mean "Facebook" and "Facebook". That is not the Internet, and the only thing truly "online" about it is the totally unencrypted and tracked browsing habits of the people. No number of token good-will sites or pay-to-play business sites will ever make this initiative the "Internet", and the wall of global segregation grows ever higher.

It's that, or literally nothing.

Not necessarily. If the internet.org initiative was truly noble, they could provide bandwidth-limited access to all of the Internet, along with an optional service or browser addon that formats pages for text-only viewing to save even more bandwidth.

Re: Facebook opens up Internet.org amidst net neutrality row

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Post by diminoten »

nitrogen wrote: post #56
diminoten wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's that, or literally nothing.

Not necessarily. If the internet.org initiative was truly noble, they could provide bandwidth-limited access to all of the Internet, along with an optional service or browser addon that formats pages for text-only viewing to save even more bandwidth.

Sure, but they don't, so it's either what they currently offer or nothing.
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