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An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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All-in-all it sounds like everyone was really pretty reasonable. I don't see any losers in this. The TSA recognizes that they had a policy mistake and has reacted accordingly. It sounds like the police and the TSA investigators could have been a bit more...nice. Other than that, good for everyone involved:)

Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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I read an interesting article some time back that strongly relates to this case, by (I think) a retired policeman, but I can't recall where.

Anyway, the gist of his point was that there's a tradeoff between evidence in plain view, and invasive security checking.

Police are allowed to use evidence of other wrongdoings while investigating a completely different matter, and switch their investigation priorities, as it were. For example, a car might be stopped for some minor infraction - a broken taillight perhaps - but if the officer sees (say) drugs in the back seat, they can change their priorities. Evidence in plain view is the general scope.

The other side is that security checkpoints at airports go far further looking into things than would meet an "in plain view" test. The problem with being able to switch investigation priority in this circumstance is that it evades protections against unreasonable search.

His suggestion was that officers could do one or the other, but not both. Security screening should be strictly limited to physical security, and not seek evidence of other wrongdoings.

There is some evidence in any case that judiciary are starting to push back here, even in cases where actual wrongdoing is discovered by security searches:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020455680457426...

> A federal judge in June threw out seizure of three fake passports from a traveler, saying that TSA screeners violated his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search and seizure.

Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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post #5

All-in-all it sounds like everyone was really pretty reasonable. I don't see any losers in this. The TSA recognizes that they had a policy mistake and has reacted accordingly. It sounds like the police and the TSA investigators could have been a bit more...nice. Other than that, good for everyone involved:)

The TSA detained the man (possibly illegally), called the police, threatened him, and ultimately only acknowledged their bad behavior under the threat of a lawsuit.

If that's reasonable, I'd hate to see unreasonable.

Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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post #5

All-in-all it sounds like everyone was really pretty reasonable. I don't see any losers in this. The TSA recognizes that they had a policy mistake and has reacted accordingly. It sounds like the police and the TSA investigators could have been a bit more...nice. Other than that, good for everyone involved:)

The screeners weren't reasonable, and it's unreasonable that these surly, unprofessional employees have the power to detain you and ruin your vacation. Their power should be sharply circumscribed to detecting threats to the physical security of the airport and the flights leaving it. They shouldn't have a generic law enforcement mandate that lets them detain and intimidate people they take a dislike to.

Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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I recently went through LAX screening. I accidentally left my Leatherman pocket knife in my carry-on bag. It's a stainless steel knife with a 3 inch blade.

Of course, I didn't know this until I arrived at my destination and unpacked my bag. The TSA screening completely missed it, even though it wasn't even remotely hidden.

I think it is time to take a review of the TSA procedures and start to dissassemble the security theatre they produce on a daily basis. Apart from the money and time wasted, it's also completely ineffective.

Re: An iPhone,the 4th amendment & TSA (airport screening) policy "change"

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post #6

I read an interesting article some time back that strongly relates to this case, by (I think) a retired policeman, but I can't recall where. Anyway, the gist of his point was that there's a tradeoff between evidence in plain view, and invasive security checking. Police are allowed to use evidence of other wrongdoings while investigating a completely different matter, and switch their investigation priorities, as it w…

But having 5k in cash isn't evidence of wrong doing, in plain sight or not.
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