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Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#81
I've dealt with depression several times in my life (I'm 24).

First, when I was around 16-17 and then off and on throughout college with the worst of it being the year and a half that spanned by grandma being diagnosed with and passing away from cancer.

I can give you a little background on both. I don't know and won't guess on what exactly you're going through, but I can share my experience in hope that it helps.

Growing up I was a pretty high achiever, with that continuing into high school. Around my sophomore year, class rank came out, I was first (hooray). No one thought I deserved to be first and made sure to tell me that. If they didn't tell me I didn't deserve it, they would tell other people. I realize this seems like a non-problem, but it really messed with my head. All of a sudden, my peers and friends were basically calling me a fraud and I was struggling not to believe them. I put an enormous amount of pressure on myself to out perform them and, when they scored a few points higher than me on the ACT, I started to crack. Around the end of the second semester, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, and I was essentially having a constant panic attack. I finally told my parents, who took me to see a therapist. I was embarrassed by this, normal people weren't supposed to see therapists. I wanted to avoid medication, most of it doesn't have much of an effect on me, so we just ended up talking. 'If you don't get straight A's, what then?'; 'If you aren't number one in the class, what happens?'; a lot of these huge pressures I felt were artificial. What I took away from all of it was that instead of taking satisfaction from the progress I was making by comparing myself today to myself yesterday, I was now looking outward for validation, which is never really a good thing. It's certainly helpful to use others that are better as bar, but it is terrible to continually point out the ways you are not as good as them. By adjusting my perspective a little bit, I was able to rid myself of all of the external pressures I felt and was instead able to focus on how exactly I could be better tomorrow.

After dealing with the high school stuff, I had a pretty successful last two years of high school and ended up going to our state school to run cross country and track and to get my software engineering degree. My college career played out like this: Freshman year: broken foot, death of family friend; Sophomore year: friend accidentally shot himself; Junior year: broken foot; Senior year: grandmother diagnosed with terminal illness and passed away 7 months later, broken rib. It was not great. Honestly some of the worst and darkest years of my life. Particularly my senior year. I skipped classes for about 3 weeks both fall and spring semesters, because of what I was dealing with, just doing enough to pass my classes. It was hard. I didn't sleep. A lot of nights I wouldn't fall asleep until close to 4. I ended up taking a combination of melatonin, sleeping pills, and extra sleepy time tea just to give me a chance at sleep. Ater I broke my rib, I drank a lot more because I didn't have to worry about running. I never thought about suicide, I had seen what it could do to families and felt that whatever pain I was going through was worth it for my family and friends. I did, however, think that it might be better to just not be here anymore. I knew it wasn't realistic, but it did seem better. I was determined to deal with it on my own. I read 'The River of Doubt' (a book about one of the darkest periods of Teddy Roosevelt's life) and it helped. His methods for dealing with shit really resonated with me (basically throwing yourself into the pursuit of some grand goal) and I started feeling better.

I still have moments. Depending on the situation, different things help. One is that nothing really matters, not in like a cynical mad at the world way, more in a there is no point in not trying, because the outcome, whether success or failure, doesn't really matter. If people want to look at you differently who cares. Most of the time, you can learn and grow from your failures. Another is that emotions like 'worry' and 'embarrassment' are often pointless emotions, it's just you making yourself feel bad about something that hasn't happened yet or about what you think people are thinking about you. The stuff with my grandma still isn't easy to deal with, but I have hope that I'm still making her proud. If you're not a religious person, you can still hope that what you're doing would make them proud. The ones we love never truly leave us, it's still valid to strive for them.

Life is too awesome to give up on. And you are never as bad as you may seem. Keep your head down and your chin up. Failure is something you should be proud of, most people give up before they have the chance to fail. I know a lot of this may seem like feel good mumbo jumbo, but fuck cynicism, feel good mumbo jumbo is usually pretty spot on.

Here's a quote by a person a lot more eloquent than me:

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” - Teddy Roosevelt

A song I listened to a lot: Walt Grace's Submarine Test, January 1967 - John Mayer

If you just need someone to talk to, I would be more than happy. Just let me know your preferred method of communication, I'll reach out to you.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

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post #62

30 minutes of Exercise + 10 minutes Meditation every morning did wonders for me. Finding the motivation to get started will be a constant struggle, but once you establish the habit for a few weeks it gets much easier. Start small if you have to, but do it every day -- building the habit is the key. If this doesn't work, or you can't muster the motivation to do it, then the meds are probably worth a try.

Before going to work? what time does it make you wake up then? Well I'm not a morning person

Timing is much less important than the activities themselves, but I think mornings are most desirable because anything positive you accomplish in that period will build positive momentum for the rest of your day. Hal Elrod's book The Morning Miracle discusses this concept a bit more depth, if you're interested.

I do my exercise first thing in the morning. I wake up, hydrate, brush my teeth, put on workout clothes, and I try to be out the door by 6:30AM. I never thought I was a morning person either, but my body adapted pretty quickly.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#83
I suffered from a major depression some years ago, and with "major" I mean a condition where I used to have panic attacks everytime I left my house. It was painful and took me a very long time (2 years in the middle of my twenties), but in the end I made it.

Some random advices based on my own experience that helped me feel better and bow out of depression (please consider that I am not a doctor):

0) You are not alone, so you don't have to feel alone; talk to people that you won't feel judged by (the internet is great for this, and so are the therapists) and spit out everything

1) As you pointed out, medications can alter somehow your ability to focus, particularly on the first days. I lived my depression as a condition where I hadn't really too much control over myself, so I decided not to take any med because I didn't want them to take control over myself: you probably want to do the same

2) Day by day, write down simple todo lists, and try to complete all items. These lists will help you distinguishing days by their completed items and reacquire the awareness of time. Additionally, there is always a little bit of satisfaction in completing things you were supposed to complete, and we all need that!

3) Your job pays your bills, work hard but don't forget that you're only in it for the money, your life is something else, somewhere else

4) When you feel you're at the lowest mood, don't question if you deserve to be alive or not, rather smile and think that one day you will be fine again. If you didn't deserve to be alive, you would be probably already dead so let that bad bad thought go away

5) Don't be ashamed of your current condition but at the same time try not to get into the collective imaginary as 'that depressed guy'; there's nothing wrong about being depressed, but the last thing you want to deal with now is people's pity. I occasionally run into people that knew about my condition and I can still clearly see that 'oh, poor guy :-(' look on their faces: a bit frustrating to be honest!

6) From time to time during the day, for several days, give your mood a rating, write it down, then look for patterns and ask yourself why, at some point, your mood was increasing or decreasing. You have no idea how this helped me

7) Read this two parts post [1, 2]

8) As you sense you're starting feeling a little bit better, that is the time you should ride the wave and get yourself out of it, no fear, no look back: you made it

[1] http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.it/2011/10/adventures-in-d...

[2] http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.it/2013/05/depression-part...

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#84
First, sorry you're in pain!

Depression is psychologically being trapped in a prediction we feel we can't turn around. Financial, romantic, lifestyle and other elements play a role in the lack of powerlessness you feel. Either of these things may be significant enough to make every breath harder.

The way to fight depression is to empower yourself and give you more options to flourish.

If you're determined antidepressants are what you need - SSRI's are something we really don't know about. When you mixin meds into the equation, you're ceding your emotions to someone else, mixing in complicated medicine into your own personal growth narrative could sidetrack you for years from finding what your core problems are.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#85

You don't have to see the medications as a permanent thing from the outset. You may have to take the meds to give yourself the focus/ability to start changing your other habits. After that point, you might be able to build up enough momentum that you'll be able to work on yourself in other ways and eventually not need the meds anymore. But depressed people often need that initial boost to help move them out of the cy…

> we might be trying to convince ourselves we "should" be enjoying our career circumstances even if we just don't. Those shoulds can certainly exacerbate depression. I'm just saying that your underperformance might also be an indication that you don't like your job, which is totally ok.

This is fair. My work has probably exacerbated my difficulties. In the past, work (or programming in general) has functioned as an outlet - something to focus on. At the moment, it's probably making things worse for various reasons. I will need to change my job soon, but feel the need to fix myself before I make any new commitments.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#86
Hi. I can only offer my own anecdotal evidence. I suffered from depression for about 9 years, and I've been past it for about 4 years now. I am not a doctor, so YMMV.

Good that you are seeking help. That is the first step.

Meds: Take them. I always felt they dulled your emotions so that the highs are not as high and the lows are not as low. That's not ideal, but it's worse than the alternative: not taking the meds. The goal is to not have to take them anymore.

Focus: In my experience, meds didn't harm my focus; maybe it even improved, as I wasn't as often caught in the throws of depression.

Motivation: You won't get motivation from meds. The meds help you get through each day, they help you feel less of a huge burden on your shoulders.

Strategies to implement:

Learn about yourself. Learn what makes you happy and what motivates you to do things. Learn what types of things are more likely to get you out of bed in the morning. Include more of those things in your life. Include less of the things that drag you down. Pay attention to how you feel, when, and why. When you're on your way to figuring those things out, wean yourself off of the meds. This takes more effort than it seems; recovery isn't a quick process.

Go out and do new things. Don't feel intense pressure to go do everything. As others have stated, this is a journey. Just make a measured effort to do a new thing every so often. Eventually you'll latch on to something that motivates you.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#87

Take the meds. Expect this to be a journey - you have to try several and you may end up on a combination (I take four). If you're dozy at work as for some ritalin to help. I hope you have health insurance :( Also, if you go through 'high' periods you're not depressed, you have bipolar 2. Take the meds. This shit literally saved my life.

> I hope you have health insurance :(

That's honestly one of the only reasons I haven't quit my job. I'm performing so poorly, and am so intensely ashamed of it, but don't want to go on COBRA while unemployed.

> Take the meds. This shit literally saved my life.

Thanks for sharing. It really has been reassuring to hear they've genuinely helped others.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

#88

> they haven't really offered any strategies I can implement I think I made two mistakes the first time I sought help: * I stayed on the first medication I tried for far too long * I stayed with my first therapist/psychiatrist for far too long My new doctors are far more helpful and push me further than my old team ever did. If it's not clicking, don't give up, but maybe see if there's someone else that might be bett…

> I stayed with my first therapist/psychiatrist for far too long

This is meaningful to me. I'm still seeing the first therapist / psychiatrist I sought out, and the inertial barrier of seeking out an entirely new set of professionals is kind of daunting. Knowing that this could potentially have a real impact at least means I'll probably be open to consider switching if I really feel like it's necessary.

Re: Ask HN: How to cope with depression

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post #27

WARNING: Do not seek any advice from anonymous people on the web about depression, ever, you're seeing a therapist, that's a good start, If you're not satisfied with your current doctor, go see another one.

This is an understandable perspective. I'm not taking direct action based on these comments.
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