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Artificial-Intelligence Experts Are in High Demand

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Re: Artificial-Intelligence Experts Are in High Demand

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We went through a round of this in the 1980s. The first commercial graphics workstations happened to be LISP machines. So management confused non-numeric code with A.I. There was demand for workstation experts. Not to loang after this UNIX graphics workstations like Sun, Apollo and MicroVAX came out and the market switch to UNIX/Linux. Second was the expert systems boom in the mid-1980s. This was fanned by Stanford p…

The first four generations were defined by hardware: (1) vacuum tubes, (2) transisitors, (3) integrated circuit boards, (4) microprocessor full CPUs on a chip. I would define (5) clusters and (6) mobile. Candidates for next generates include huge data engine clouds, wearables and internet of things.

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We went through a round of this in the 1980s. The first commercial graphics workstations happened to be LISP machines. So management confused non-numeric code with A.I. There was demand for workstation experts. Not to loang after this UNIX graphics workstations like Sun, Apollo and MicroVAX came out and the market switch to UNIX/Linux. Second was the expert systems boom in the mid-1980s. This was fanned by Stanford p…

What you're referring to is the advent of AI bubbles, and thus AI Winters - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

Stating that a bubble cycle has emerged in the means only accentuates the importance of the end, to note that the desire for AI is so strong that futility hasn't kept people from trying.

Virtual reality is another such example.

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Game AIs, Stock market bots, character recognition, adaptations to game of life, computer art wherein you get an AI to paint or to draw and can seed it values. There's lots of cool stuff you can hack away at. Even training a neural net to recognise a '3' is quite interesting.

These things suck. I want a robot with sensors, the ability to move and an arm that can be programmed with a language that is appropriate for AI. That doesn't sound like something technically difficult.

So, what's holding you up exactly? RC cars are cheap, people have done cool stuff with old android phones for sensor packages. If you need more horsepower, stream the data back to a PC, you've got wifi on the phone. New industrial arms are expensive, but you can scrounge one, or get a hobby one. sparkfun had a uArm that would probably work for you.

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Just because you can't see unicorns doesn't mean they aren't there, but at some point you have to give up the search. It's fine to talk about how, broadly speaking, rats are more intelligent than ants, plants or microbes (which are basically I/O rules with a body), chimpanzees more so than rats, humans more so than than chimps etc. But in general there's a ton of overlap and the qualities we associate with intelligen…

You are repeating the same mistake as before. The difference is significant between admitting we don't know what those lines are and claiming that they don't exist.

It's not a mistake – I see the difference and I am claiming that those lines don't exist. There's plenty of evidence for that, including the continuous range of intelligent behaviour from plants to humans. It's just an empirical fact that there's no hard line.

Of course, that could be wrong – new evidence may come to light, after all. But even so, it doesn't make any sense to say that trying to understand and replicate intelligence is deluded, just because we don't know where that line is – because figuring out what intelligence is is exactly the problem that people are trying to solve. AI is one part of that, along with more empirical research in fields like cognitive science and biology.

Are people researching quantum gravity deluding themselves because they don't yet have a hard definition of quantum gravity? Figuring that out is exactly the point!

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How can there be experts on a subject that doesn't yet exist?

Face recognition, speech recognition, machine translation, text classification and more don't exist?

That's the plot line of a hyper critical, yet insightful, joke that came out of one of the many AI downturns in past decades, that as soon as an algo or implementation works it isn't AI anymore, its (fill in the blank specialization). So AI is just the present set of algos that don't (yet?) work.

So that fuzzy logic, thats not AI anymore, thats a footnote in the EE control systems theory class, isn't it? And the face recognition is a parallel processing assignment in FPGA class, speech recognition is an advanced section in DSP theory class, etc.

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We went through a round of this in the 1980s. The first commercial graphics workstations happened to be LISP machines. So management confused non-numeric code with A.I. There was demand for workstation experts. Not to loang after this UNIX graphics workstations like Sun, Apollo and MicroVAX came out and the market switch to UNIX/Linux. Second was the expert systems boom in the mid-1980s. This was fanned by Stanford p…

That would be prolog. You'll have much better luck googling for prolog. I played with "turbo prolog" in the 80s and accomplished nothing (from the same place as turbo C or turbo pascal or turbo basic (am I forgetting any?)). A modern variant (of a logic oriented language) can be seen here:

https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/A-Core.logic-Prim...

It tends to suffer from management by scalable procedure disease. Its possible to successfully replace a human assembly line worker with a robot arm and a very small shell script, which inevitably leads overactive imaginations to think of replacing engineers or doctors with an immense set of unfortunately undefinable unscalable procedures and rulesets, so it always collapses with complexity at implementation time. Its like moths to a flame, you should be able to replace an engineer with a very long list of if/then statements, but it turns out to be impossible in practice. Meanwhile the more advanced techniques butts up against the rapidly scaling "DBA" "IT" type of traditional solutions or non-traditional big-data techniques.

Its hard to find something to logic program that isn't less verbose in a non-logic language or unwritable in any language including logic programming. Its like the Perl regex thing where you got a problem, so you write a regex, and now you got two problems. Its a very narrow although interesting niche. Finding something that fits would be pretty cool, although probably very difficult to maintain.

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When true strong A.I hits, I feel the confusion will quickly lift. You'll know because all of the people with weak A.I :

> Used mainly to strip information value from people without compensation

> Who are dumping money into foundations to prevent the coming of it's more true form

will be screaming 'It's the end of the world'. Until then, enjoy the algorithms. It's the nature of business to over-sell. Don't be too upset by it.

Re: Artificial-Intelligence Experts Are in High Demand

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These things suck. I want a robot with sensors, the ability to move and an arm that can be programmed with a language that is appropriate for AI. That doesn't sound like something technically difficult.

So, what's holding you up exactly? RC cars are cheap, people have done cool stuff with old android phones for sensor packages. If you need more horsepower, stream the data back to a PC, you've got wifi on the phone. New industrial arms are expensive, but you can scrounge one, or get a hobby one. sparkfun had a uArm that would probably work for you.

Because I am a software developer and intelligence hobbyist (from the biology/ethology camp.) I don't know a damn thing about RC cars or android phones nor do I have the time or desire to learn. Sadly, the hardware tinkerers don't know a damn thing about programming intelligent behavior. Until there is some sort of API to connect hardware to a software environment programmable by specialists in that domain, hobbyist robotics will remain in the realm of Battlebots.

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post #86

We went through a round of this in the 1980s. The first commercial graphics workstations happened to be LISP machines. So management confused non-numeric code with A.I. There was demand for workstation experts. Not to loang after this UNIX graphics workstations like Sun, Apollo and MicroVAX came out and the market switch to UNIX/Linux. Second was the expert systems boom in the mid-1980s. This was fanned by Stanford p…

That would be prolog. You'll have much better luck googling for prolog. I played with "turbo prolog" in the 80s and accomplished nothing (from the same place as turbo C or turbo pascal or turbo basic (am I forgetting any?)). A modern variant (of a logic oriented language) can be seen here: https://github.com/clojure/core.logic/wiki/A-Core.logic-Prim... It tends to suffer from management by scalable procedure disease.…

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