Live data from Hacker News

Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

google.com

11–20 of 78 posts

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#11
post #6

I didn't think that was ever in doubt, was it? HN has always been difficult to use on mobile devices due to all the fixed dimensions forcing the page to render at an unsuitable size.

Which always surprised me. I know very little about web design (just use bootstrap for prototypes sometimes), but the HN seems to be very minimalistic in design and features (that's what I like about it, actually). So it would seem that making it fit the viewport would be an easy task.

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#13

This is a great example of why mobile browsers suck. It is the job of the mobile browser to be able to fix these problems automatically, to resize and reflow text so that it displays properly on the device.

^this. And: It pisses me off to no end that Google is in the position to decide how a site has to look like on $device. They announce that you will get a worse SERP if your site doesn't do X and everyone scrambles to please mighty G. If they decide that every site has to have a yellow background, starting next week, what will you do? Give in?

Well, you only get worse SERP for mobile searches don't you? As long as google delivers good results people will use it, I am not that worried

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#14

This is a great example of why mobile browsers suck. It is the job of the mobile browser to be able to fix these problems automatically, to resize and reflow text so that it displays properly on the device.

^this. And: It pisses me off to no end that Google is in the position to decide how a site has to look like on $device. They announce that you will get a worse SERP if your site doesn't do X and everyone scrambles to please mighty G. If they decide that every site has to have a yellow background, starting next week, what will you do? Give in?

The whole business model of Google is knowledge about what users want to see on the web. And their judgements about it are context-specific: they are true for the current situation, when the mobile browsers work as they do. If Google is wrong, and users want the sites that are _not_ optimized for mobile, they will lose their market share.

However, if they are right, and the users _do_ want to see sites optimised for mobile, it means that while you are right technically about how mobile browsers are supposed to work, and how sites are supposed to work, the real users just don't agree with you.

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#15
I think one thing that will greatly help mobile experience for me is to add a reddit-style collapse comment section toggler. On mobile devices (and in some cases on desktops), it will help reach the lower comments easily without having to scroll a lot.

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#16
If anyone from Google is reading: text entry boxes on Chrome on iOS are suboptimal.

http://imgur.com/XpygcTq

http://imgur.com/cAjceFY

The address bar takes up a lot of vertical space that could be better used to show more lines of text. That big block of empty white space on the previous item next item close menu bar is also wasted.

If Google really wants to fix browsing on mobile they might want to look at their own products as well as using their seo powers.

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#17

This is a great example of why mobile browsers suck. It is the job of the mobile browser to be able to fix these problems automatically, to resize and reflow text so that it displays properly on the device.

They should not. A mobile browser should follow standards defined by people who thought about this kind of stuff. Mobile browsers render "desktop-designed" webpages this way because they should so according to the HTML/CSS/JS specs.

As a developer, you should define which content should scale and/or resize according to browser viewport width and pixel density: Better known as "Responsive".

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#19
The whole 'not mobile friendly' meme really needs to die. The sites are never at fault, a mobile browser is entirely capable of rendering sites however they see fit and to ignore or incorporate any or all elements of the style sheets and mark-up that a site supplies.

The pixel-perfect coupling that people expect between what a site should look like according to the designers and how that site is rendered by the browsers is an illusion, that's not the way the web was supposed to work at all, web sites provide information and loose markup hints and browsers then render that information in the best way suitable for the device and its user.

Don't blame the website, blame the browser instead.

Ironically, looking at ancient (pre-CSS, pre table based layouts) websites through modern browsers gives you instant adaptive design because all there was was content, no eye candy.

If we had wanted pixel based rendering we could have done a damn sight better than CSS, style sheets and markup are hints, not ultimatums to be obeyed or failure will occur.

Just think about the burden that these demands make on older websites, websites that worked perfectly well in the past suddenly need to be modified in order to be displayed properly, that's a total inversion of the way things are supposed to work. Old content and older websites should be displayed with as high fidelity as possible on newer browsers and devices. You can't fault the makers of old websites for not being 'future compatible' but you can fault the makers of new devices and browsers for not being compatible with the past.

Re: Google to Hacker News: Not Mobile-Friendly

#20
post #6

I didn't think that was ever in doubt, was it? HN has always been difficult to use on mobile devices due to all the fixed dimensions forcing the page to render at an unsuitable size.

Apart from accidental downvoting I never had any problems with it. Get a browser that nicely reflows and that locks horizontal scrolling nicely (not too much, not too little) and it's a breeze to read and participate. I love that I can choose the font-size and zoom level myself, notblindthankyouverymuch.
Post reply on HN