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Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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I will take this time to write something I wrote on Steve Jobs death: go get a comprehensive health check today. In our community, we are data driven about everything, except our health and body. I will copy what I wrote 1304 days ago, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3080327 In January 2009 I was Stage 5 chronic kidney disease, in July 2009 I had a kidney transplant. Looking back there were so many telltale sign…

What a sad and terrible loss, my heartfelt condolences to Sheryl and her family..

I wanted to add my thoughts about false positives and executive health checkups, which fall under the larger umbrella of screening. I conduct executive checkups fairly regularly, but i’m not promoting anything here. I just want to share a personal philosophy that you, as a patient, could adopt to reduce risk.

Firstly, it should be stated that the utility and performance of any diagnostic test that has a binary outcome (eg. diseased/healthy) depends on 1) its intrinsic test characteristics 2) the prevalence of the disease in the population being tested[1], 3) the available diagnostic/treatment options for positive people, and 4) the threshold chosen to call something ‘positive’ since you are virtually always measuring a continuous variable.

People talk about false positives often, but you should know that there is some room for judgement here. The typical threshold for PSA has historically been 4.0 ng/mL. Above this is considered a positive screen, and you are recommended further testing to confirm prostate cancer, which can be invasive and lead to complications (bleeding, nerve damage, etc). This kind of two-stage testing is a common theme. The issue is that PSA values in people with cancer and people without cancer are normally distributed and have some overlap. A value of 4.0 is in the overlap zone, and the vast majority of people with 4.0 will not have cancer. However, lets say hypothetically that guidelines changed and we now use 20. At this level, most people who test positive probably have something bad, and the risk:benefit ratio is in favor of confirmatory testing and probably in favor of treatment too. I won’t bother going into it, but there’s a fair amount of liability, psychology and economics at play when choosing thresholds. Biochemical tests like PSA do have some variance, but are mostly reliable. It’s more complicated with imaging and amorphous things like mammograms that have some operator variability in judgement (and hence more liability).

This was a long-winded way to say that information is not necessarily bad, but it’s what you and your doctor choose to do with it. There’s room for discussing probabilities, and the various available pathways. Trust is huge. Your doctor will act in your best interests when he feels safe from lawsuits, otherwise he'll be focused on not missing anything regardless of likelihood or cost. The financial misalignment of our system doesn’t help in building trust either. Most first-stage screening tests have very minimal risk involved. Things like checking your blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, doing a treadmill stress test, reviewing your meds, vaccinations, etc which are part of these annual checkup programs are, on balance, usually good ideas.

[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_and_specificity

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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The assumption that "it does make a difference between death an survival" in not necessarily born out by the data. There has been a big push back recently against using an improvement in 5 year survival rate as an indication of success in the war on cancer. For example, if a new diagnostic test lets you find out you have cancer earlier, but you still end up dying at the same age you would anyway, the 5 year survival…

I'm not sure I understand your point - are you arguing that finding cancer earlier does not increases chances of treatment and survival? Do you have any reliable data on that?

Check out this study: http://www.vaoutcomes.com/papers/JAMA2975.pdf

The conclusion: "Although 5-year survival is a valid measure for comparing cancer therapies in a randomized trial, our analysis shows that changes in 5-year survival over time bear little relationship to changes in cancer mortality. Instead, they appear primarily related to changing patterns of diagnosis."

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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He looked otherwise healthy I wonder if it was something related to sleep apnea. Ryan Davis from Giantbomb also died suddenly while on his honeymoon. http://www.giantbomb.com/ryan-davis/3040-93335/forums/ryan-d...

Way too many people dismiss sleep apnea. Folks, it can kill you - or cause other serious problems. In addition to narcolepsy, your general metabolism can get messed up too. I spent 4+ years not getting any REM sleep and my metabolism STILL suffers as a result - even 14 years after starting on CPAP and using it EVERY night since then. It's too long to go into here - but I did a writeup years ago about my "journey", al…

I was an apnea baby, and died on my parents a number of times as a child due to it. Thankfully these days it's a million times better: the only time I have issues is when I sleep on my back.

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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My thought are with Dave's family. It's a morbid coincidence that I was sitting here, filling out my will using http://getyourshittogether.org/ when I came across this HN post. I had been avoiding filling it out for months because it never felt important enough to do. Finally last night I decided that I was going to fill it all out today. Just as I started to fill it out, I thought "Oh let me just check HN and reddit…

As an estate lawyer, the biggest issue I see with these types of estate plan services is that amateurs use them and fuck up their documents. Either they execute the documents incorrectly (in which case you might as well not have it), they let beneficiaries serve as witnesses, the documents don't plan for obvious contingencies, or they set up trusts and then neglect to transfer any assets to them (in which case the tr…

Agreed. I studied law although I didn't graduate, and estate law has so many little twists and turns that it's worth paying a lawyer to tackle it; I can't think of much worse than my death causing even more stress and fighting between those left behind due to an ill-defined will.

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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I know of 2 guys who had a case of "sudden death" in the valley, both from heart attack, both were using stimulants and working very long hours in their startups. I know from previous threads that a lot of folks in the valley use stimulants to get through nights without sleep, to work with high focus, but guys you have to be careful. Stimulant use aside, keep in mind cardiovascular diseases is one of _the_ bigger kil…

I'm a retired radiologist with a huge experience performing coronary CT angiography (CCTA). This is an amazingly accurate exam, superior to cardiac catheterization and stress tests. Radiation dose from this exam has been dramatically reduced in recent years, Having seen thousands of these studies I can state that many people have severe coronary artery disease at young ages (in their thirties). They are at risk for s…

Presumably the ~5 mSv radiation exposure is worth the benefits?

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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It is at these times we must confront our own mortality.

My thought are with Dave's family. It's a morbid coincidence that I was sitting here, filling out my will using http://getyourshittogether.org/ when I came across this HN post. I had been avoiding filling it out for months because it never felt important enough to do. Finally last night I decided that I was going to fill it all out today. Just as I started to fill it out, I thought "Oh let me just check HN and reddit…

Also if you have a family but don't have a huge amount of wealth, life insurance is relatively cheap and can give you some piece of mind.

Re: Dave Goldberg, CEO of SurveyMonkey, has died

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This questions often pops up whenever there's a thread about someone passing away on the front page. I think it's problematic since it will be up to the admins to decide whether a person was "important" enough to have a black bar. A very hard task where each consideration will be controversial. Therefore I don't think they should do it all.

They've done it for people particularly important to the community...Steve Jobs and Aaron Swartz (I think: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5046845 ). I think it's a difficult task in that you can't include everyone...but I think it'd be fine if the admins did it by personal consensus...I imagine who they think would be noteworthy would be in line with what most users think.

I agree.

The black bar exists because the owners/admins deem it to exist. It is necessarily a mark of respect granted by them, not by the community.

Any discussion or meta-discussion about its application will only confuse this true meaning and doesn't help anyone.

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