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How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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I think scammers deserve to be exposed. The truth is if more people shared this kind of information publicly then there would be less scammers. The reason many scammers can do what they do for a long time is because the victims never speak out and warn others against them.

Yeah, it's a pretty horrible feeling. We were angry with the scammers and somewhat embarrassed that it happened at all.

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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Rare to see a write up like this where they not only expose the scammers (by name), but also share their personal information.

I wasn't sure about publishing, but now that I did I'm glad it's out there.

The certainty of guilt aside - I applaud this calculated risk as the alternative relegates the perpetrators to anonymous status ("russian hackers") which negates the gravity of their actions.

Personalizing the scammers makes this situation "real" and while it may not lead to an arrest, it will at least give a precedent for how to handle (or maybe not?) those deemed "above the law" because of their nationality or physical location (outside the US).

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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"We could submit a DMCA takedown request via GoDaddy and Media Temple. Starting with a broad request to see if that works, and then lay out the details if we get any pushback from the companies."

Awesome. More DMCA abuse. And this is why we need penalties against bad actors who knowingly file fraudulent takedown requests.

Does empireflippers know they are also the bad guys in this story?

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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Ok so wait, in response to getting scammed you hacked into this guys accounts to gather information? And then admit to it publicly ? And then dox the guy? Unprofessional doesn't even begin...

I don't see any admission or indication of "hacking". Unprofessional? - if "professional" means keeping quiet, reporting it authorities (who don't care and can't do anything about it) and riding quietly into the sunset call me unprofessional any day.

Hacking is what a person does in violation of Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986[1]. Which doesn't discuss needing to actively try to break encryption or exploit a security vulnerability but rather talks about accessing something to which you do not have permission.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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Rare to see a write up like this where they not only expose the scammers (by name), but also share their personal information.

I wasn't sure about publishing, but now that I did I'm glad it's out there.

About last name: letter Ц from Cyrillic alphabet can be transcripted as ts, c, tc, so all variations are correct.

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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Why don't they add a bitcoin option as well? it would cost them anything to accept bitcoin via bitpay (0% fee) and they completely eliminate their chargeback risk

webmasters are a fairly tech literate lot and I am sure alot of them already use or know of bitcoin

Re: How a Russian Syndicate Scammed Us for $25K

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see any admission or indication of "hacking". Unprofessional? - if "professional" means keeping quiet, reporting it authorities (who don't care and can't do anything about it) and riding quietly into the sunset call me unprofessional any day.

Hacking is what a person does in violation of Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986[1]. Which doesn't discuss needing to actively try to break encryption or exploit a security vulnerability but rather talks about accessing something to which you do not have permission. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

I stand corrected - although my comment was tailored for a community (HN) that usually get's all worked up about the use of the term "hacking" (and others) when it comes to computer crime.

If this was an article about the US Government convicting or charging people for "hacking" we'd most likely see numerous comments and complaints here about the improper use of the word.

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