Grooveshark Shuts Down • Hacker News Board

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by morganvachon » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:06 PM UTC

aidos wrote: post #20

morganvachon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it interesting that they omitted two very obvious alternatives (Pandora and Slacker Radio). An overt snub, or simply no point in naming two of the most well known services?

I think Pandora is US only, certainly not available in the UK. Which is a shame, because it was brilliant about 10 years ago when I was allowed to listen to it. Maybe that's one of the reasons it wasn't listed?

It's not so great these days, at least in the free version. Ads every other song, sometimes more ads than songs in a given hour, and (at least on my phone) it's a battery hog. I prefer Slacker.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by morganvachon » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:08 PM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #21

morganvachon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found it interesting that they omitted two very obvious alternatives (Pandora and Slacker Radio). An overt snub, or simply no point in naming two of the most well known services?

Pandora doesn't provide the same service. They purely do "radio" and don't let you make playlists or play specific songs. I can't explain Slacker's omission though.

I thought Pandora offered playlists in their paid tier? I've never paid for it so I don't know the details of their full service.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by weed_X » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:14 PM UTC

To recover my collections and playlists i used:

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PutYourUrlHere&strip=1

1. Seach your profile (or your profile's collection, playlist etc.) with Google.

2. Don't click search results, just copy the URL of your profile

3. Replace the text "PutYourUrlHere" with the URL you copied. It is important to include "&strip=1" at the end because it opens you the text version of the page, otherwise it won't work.

My cached profile page was from 28.3.2015, so at least I managed to save most of my data. groovebackup.com was not as useful as this approach.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by jeffbr13 » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:22 PM UTC

zzalpha wrote: post #214

vidarh wrote: post #209

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I find that interesting because I mostly use streaming services to find music I buy. Largely because I've yet to use a streaming service that handles intermittent connectivity well enough (you'd think that my commute from a densely populated London suburb, along one of the highest density commuter routes in Europe, in to Central London would have decent mobile data coverage, wouldn't you... But you'd be sadly mistake…

Largely because I've yet to use a streaming service that handles intermittent connectivity well enough If you have an Android phone: Google Play All Access. You can offline content to your phone as if you own the music, but you get full access to their complete library. It's pretty brilliant, IMO. Edit: though that doesn't help you if you're looking for a radio-like service... I tend to listen to albums at a time, an…

Google Play's radio feature has been amazing in my experience, and way better than Spotify's. Especially for stuff which is a little bit out of the mainstream, the selection-quality is so high that I wouldn't be surprised if they were using some of their Google suggestion-fu to generate it from what tracks users have played together in the past.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by acdha » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:27 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #217

acdha wrote: post #118

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My dictionary defines illegal as “contrary to or forbidden by law”. If you're distributing material without permission it's still illegal even if you stick your fingers in your ears while loudly shouting “na na na I can't hear you!”

The content is not illegal. Illegal content would be stuff like child pornography.

Trying to redefine the question will not make your earlier wrong answer correct. At no point has anyone questioned the legality of the actual music – the discussion has always been about whether it was legal for them to share copies.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by gibsonje » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:27 PM UTC

shock-value wrote: post #130

27182818284 wrote: post #117

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As part of the settlement agreement with the major record companies, we have agreed to cease operations immediately, wipe clean all of the record companies’ copyrighted works and hand over ownership of this website, our mobile apps and intellectual property, including our patents and copyrights. Yeah Grooveshark was really getting in the way of me paying for that album ($10) and song ($1.something) I paid for in the…

I definitely think you're in the minority. I don't remember the last time I bought an album or song, but I use streaming music services all the time. Same goes for anyone I know. Admittedly anecdotal but then again so is your assertion.

How do you buy an album or song without it being DRM-chained to a particular service? That's my problem with music. I've settled on Spotify for this reason, but I was extremely disappointed to read that I'm probably not contributing in any meaningful way to the less-than-popular artists I listen to.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by Havvy » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:29 PM UTC

vorg wrote: post #81

Syrup-tan wrote: post #12

The site is just an image with small text, so I've transcribed it here; --- Dear music fans, Today we are shutting down Grooveshark. We started out nearly ten years ago with the goal of helping fans share and discover music. But despite the best of intentions, we made very serious mistakes. We failed to secure licenses from rights holders for the vast amount of music on the service. That was wrong. We apologize. With…

First Groovy gets its development funding pulled and hosting infrastructure shut down, now 3 months later Grooveshark does the same. It's not a good year for anything named Groov * in the startup space!

I don't think Grooveshark counts as a startup.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by eropple » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:33 PM UTC

gibsonje wrote: post #226

shock-value wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I definitely think you're in the minority. I don't remember the last time I bought an album or song, but I use streaming music services all the time. Same goes for anyone I know. Admittedly anecdotal but then again so is your assertion.

How do you buy an album or song without it being DRM-chained to a particular service? That's my problem with music. I've settled on Spotify for this reason, but I was extremely disappointed to read that I'm probably not contributing in any meaningful way to the less-than-popular artists I listen to.

Nothing I've bought on iTunes in the last...five years?...has been DRMed. It's all M4A.

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by Tunecrew » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:33 PM UTC

Tunecrew wrote: post #97

As someone who works full time in the music business, I shed no tears for Grooveshark. The only thing I don't like about this situation is that there appears to be no settlement for the thousands (tens, hundreds?) of indie artists, labels, writers and publishers whose music was on the site. 10% revenue loss for an indie label or publisher has a far greater impact on their viability than 10% loss to .

I run an indie label, distributor and publisher.

We pay out tens of thousands of US$ to artists, writers and labels every month.

People do and are making a living in all of these professions, but yes it is hard.

Not sure where all this vitriol comes from?

Re: Grooveshark Shuts Down

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Post by zzalpha » Fri, May 01, 2015, 1:37 PM UTC

jeffbr13 wrote: post #224

zzalpha wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Largely because I've yet to use a streaming service that handles intermittent connectivity well enough If you have an Android phone: Google Play All Access. You can offline content to your phone as if you own the music, but you get full access to their complete library. It's pretty brilliant, IMO. Edit: though that doesn't help you if you're looking for a radio-like service... I tend to listen to albums at a time, an…

Google Play's radio feature has been amazing in my experience, and way better than Spotify's. Especially for stuff which is a little bit out of the mainstream, the selection-quality is so high that I wouldn't be surprised if they were using some of their Google suggestion-fu to generate it from what tracks users have played together in the past.

Oh yeah, my only point is offlining/intermittent connectivity and the radio features are kind of at odds with one another... but that's not unique to Google in any way.