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Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

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Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

#171

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Has Mozilla indicated whether HTTP2 connections with opportunistic encryption will get access to secure-site features? If so, then SimpleHttpServer could be updated to use HTTP2+oe.

Unless I missed something, opportunistic encryption isn't part of the HTTP2 standard.

My mistake. However, Mozilla is still working on it for Firefox.

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

#173

For Tor and I2P hidden services, HTTPS is redundant so I don't really see the point in punishing people for things like this. Loopback sites are an obvious exception to the "HTTPS is better" rule as well.

I trust that Tor browser will revert this for hidden services.

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

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Why this project: https://letsencrypt.org/ is so important. From the site: Let’s Encrypt is a new Certificate Authority: It’s free, automated, and open. Arriving Mid-2015

And what if I don't trust any of the "MAJOR SPONSORS".

You could always buy a regular certificate from a vendor such as Identrust or Verisign.

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

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I agree with trying to phase out HTTP, but I think their method is "annoying." What do features have to do with HTTP Vs. HTTPS? It just seems like an arbitrary punishment. Wouldn't it just be significantly easier to simply change the URL art style to make clear that HTTP is "insecure." Like a red broken padlock on every HTTP page? That has the following advantages: - HTTP remains fully working for internal/developmen…

I can imagine a lot of personal sites will suffer from this. With most, they're sitting on something like Eleven2 or Dreamhost, who requires a dedicated IP for an SSL certificate, which the user then has to buy and figure out for himself (it's not trivial for the average "webmaster"), or buy the certificate from their host which is marked-up plenty. Yes, the hosts could wildcard. Yes, there are other solutions out th…

> But for the average Joe who is blogging about his vacations and family? They're going to be completely lost.

Average Joe uses Facebook, Tumblr, Wordpress, or any number of existing hosts to blog to his family.

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

#176

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The actions Mozilla proposes sound awful. I believe that a secure (from the NSA) Internet is the way forward. But this seems so goofy to me. There are legitimate reasons for a site not to be hosted on HTTPS. * It is a static site with no forms or logins * It is non-critical info * The site operator can't afford a certificate (Let's Encrypt is only one site...) As you say: Color-code sites with a bit more granularity.…

All browsing behavior can be used to build a profile about someone, whether for advertising, surveillance, or whatever. There's a lot more information in the fact that person A visited pages 1-6 on unencrypted website B than one might realize. This reason alone should be enough for us to demand encryption (not necessarily via CA certificates) for any connection that isn't demonstrably local and unintercepted.

How does that go away? Most internet advertising/surveillance is performed by the actor with whom you're directly communicating, I think....

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

#177

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You don't trust the EFF?

No, not in the slightest. The EFF is a non-profit organization that exists to lobby for policy change. No such organization is worthy of much in the way of trust -- especially for such a sensitive instrument.

What organization would you consider more trustworthy?

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

#178

I should be happy about this -- who wouldn't want the entire web to be encrypted -- but SSL is so broken for normal people. SSL is expensive (wildcard certificates run $70 a year and up), confusing (how does one pick between the 200 different companies selling certificates?), and incredibly difficult to set up (what order should I cat the certificate pieces in again?). If SSL doesn't change, this move will cut the li…

Can someone explain why we can't give SSL certificates along with domain registration? We already trust the DNS, don't we?

No. Consider that DNS request/responses are simple, cleartext UDP packets. There's DNSSEC of course but nobody uses it (and also most security experts don't like it).

Re: Deprecating Non-Secure HTTP

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post #130

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How well does that work on a corporate intranet? How well does it work with Windows? If the friction for testing, say, an enterprise LOB app on an internal-only QA IIS server is any higher than "basically zero" with Firefox, and the same friction doesn't apply to Chrome or IE, well.

1. On a corporate internet, you're probably in a position to deploy your own CA certificates. This is quite common. 2. Let's Encrypt will use an open protocol, so it should be OS-agnostic. 3. "Privileged Contexts" is being developed as a W3C working draft [1]. It's quite likely this won't be just a Mozilla-thing. Google has been fairly aggressive when it comes to pushing for more (and better) SSL as well (see SHA1 ce…

I'm a person who actually deploys .net apps to internal IIS QA servers. If I want them to use HTTPS, I have to configure it. I don't know anything about my own CA certificates. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it's certainly easier to suggest just not using firefox if something isn't working.
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