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Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by marcos123 »

dang wrote: post #46
bch wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: accusatory tone - I adjusted my comment to reflect more clearly this is only my take away. But I think his words and actions are the evidence. I understand trash talk, but calling your users (behind their back) "dumb fucks" sounds like nothing but contempt.

Thanks for adjusting your comment. I want to expand on the point a bit further because I think it's important for Hacker News. But I don't mean to pick on you personally, so I hope you don't feel that way. How many people have any real basis for knowing what Zuckerberg meant by those words? A line like that could mean almost anything. You'd have to have known him at the time. Also, how many people can truly claim nev…

> A line like that could mean almost anything.

Actually no, you are incorrect. Calling people "dumb fucks" for trusting you and/or your site is a statement with a pretty specific meaning behind it.

For a fun exercise, how about you explain the multitude of meanings you were able to derive from it?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by sqeaky »

tim333 wrote: post #54
pen2l wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically it's his flagrant disrespect and violation of human privacy at a mindbogglingly massive scale. He got us here by tricking us with cheap tricks. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/facebooks-evil-interfa... The way I see, he is one of the worst things to happen to the Internet if not the worst, but that's just my opinion.

Meh - I'm on facebook all the time. Maybe they track my not very interesting interests and people use them to show ads which uBlock then blocks. His "flagrant disrespect and violation of my human privacy" doesn't really bother me. If I was doing anything I wanted to keep private I wouldn't do it on facebook - I just assume stuff on facebook is semi public. I'm not sure quite what the big problem is.

Your notion that you can simply maintain privacy by not using facebook is part of the problem.

For a long time facebook tracked people using flash cookies (also called Local Shared Objects) to track people with opinions flawed like your own around various website that are not facebook.

What if they use some more devious tricks now? You might say that you use noscript, adblock or something else, but what about profiling you based information created by you browser. Browser fingerprinting - https://panopticlick.eff.org/ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_fingerprint

I would rather simply avoid facebook and deal with people without a history of ethical issues.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by snarfy »

estefan wrote: post #53
WA wrote: post #24

What's with the hate in this thread? He achieved something quite remarkable. Back then, most people wouldn't have guessed that this silly campus site ever became as big as it is now. And now, Mark created a business with thousands of employees, changing how we communicate, how we discover information about the cities we live in. Give the man some respect. This isn't about his privileged background, but about the pers…

Jealousy.

Envy. Jealousy is when you fear someone will take something away from you.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by mr_nice »

madaxe_again wrote: post #58
WA wrote: post #24

What's with the hate in this thread? He achieved something quite remarkable. Back then, most people wouldn't have guessed that this silly campus site ever became as big as it is now. And now, Mark created a business with thousands of employees, changing how we communicate, how we discover information about the cities we live in. Give the man some respect. This isn't about his privileged background, but about the pers…

I met him around about this time - we were working on a variety of gigs in Cambridge, and ended up in a secret society house (don't ask me which, I honestly don't remember) at some point in a night out... someone might know - go in, up stairs, big withdrawing room with a pair of chesterfields perpendicular to a fireplace, wood panelling, that sort of thing. Remember shooting the shit with him about this social networ…

What is a secret society house?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

mr_nice wrote: post #75
madaxe_again wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I met him around about this time - we were working on a variety of gigs in Cambridge, and ended up in a secret society house (don't ask me which, I honestly don't remember) at some point in a night out... someone might know - go in, up stairs, big withdrawing room with a pair of chesterfields perpendicular to a fireplace, wood panelling, that sort of thing. Remember shooting the shit with him about this social networ…

What is a secret society house?

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by dang »

marcos123 wrote: post #71
dang wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for adjusting your comment. I want to expand on the point a bit further because I think it's important for Hacker News. But I don't mean to pick on you personally, so I hope you don't feel that way. How many people have any real basis for knowing what Zuckerberg meant by those words? A line like that could mean almost anything. You'd have to have known him at the time. Also, how many people can truly claim nev…

> A line like that could mean almost anything. Actually no, you are incorrect. Calling people "dumb fucks" for trusting you and/or your site is a statement with a pretty specific meaning behind it. For a fun exercise, how about you explain the multitude of meanings you were able to derive from it?

Your comment feels like cross-examination—not my idea of a "fun exercise"! Conversation is ok though.

Calling people dumb fucks for trusting you could easily have been for comic effect. The combination of bravado and self-deprecation is something comedians use for shock value and laughs. Adolescent boys (and not so adolescent boys) ham up outrageous stuff up around their friends all the time. Those things aren't sociopathic.

I have zero idea what he meant, and so does everybody else who has only those words to go on. People are just projecting onto a blank screen a few convenient details to create the image that they want to see, a monster and a sociopath—in other words a cartoon villain. You don't have anything close to the information you would need to draw that conclusion if you were inquiring seriously. What really gives the phenomenon away, though, is the cartoonishness of the picture.

The interesting question is why people do this kind of projection. I think it's that the brain works with contrasts, and creating a bad picture of someone else is a cheap way to create a good picture of oneself. But who knows. What's for sure is that this phenomenon is (a) not intellectually serious, and (b) ubiquitous. Even the comment in this thread that was apparently based on personal experience showed signs of it.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

melling wrote: post #14
softdev12 wrote: post #10

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If you really go back and do some digging into the roots of facebook, you'll be amazed at how much press he got early on. He supposedly offered to do computer support work for the Harvard Crimson and in return he got press connections. Even before he launched thefacebook, he was getting write ups with facemash.

Don't people always say that you need to spend as much time promoting your product as building it?

More!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by butwhy »

_lce0 wrote: post #70
butwhy wrote: post #43

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I personally use facebook to talk to my friends. Maybe you should try it out to communicate wit yours?

> I personally use facebook to talk to my friends. Maybe you should try it out to communicate wit yours? so in your logic, because somebody don't use facebook, he/she does not communicate with his/her friends? wow

I said I use it to communicate with my friends. Never said it was my sole method of communication. Thanks, genius.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg appears on CNBC to discuss a social network (2004) [video]

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Post by felipel »

stretchwithme wrote: post #20
melling wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't people always say that you need to spend as much time promoting your product as building it?

Distribution is as important as product.

Yeah, that's why there are so many Christians right now.
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