> Developers will also be able to recycle their Objective-C apps for iOS using new tools in Visual Studio.
Why am I suspecting that Apple had an additional agenda with Swift?
Microsoft Makes It Easier to Bring Android and iOS Apps to Windows 10
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#82This is a brilliant move to make Windows 10 much more relevant. I really like some of my Android apps, but I want a Windows phone. Hopefully this will encourage apps like Automatic to move to Windows phone. I also wonder if this will affect Xamarin in a negative way.
I loooooooove my Windows Phone. Seriously. Everyone stares at me as if I'm some sort of mutant when I tell them that I am a developer and I still love WP, but it's true. I have used iOS, BB, Android, but none of them compare to WP to me. I like the mix of customizability with solid, expected behaviors. The MS apps are phenomenal (also the Nokia apps), and all the major services have some sort of app, most official by…
Second this with my WP preference. I have a device for the major platforms, but my WP experience is better than the others. It's more intuitive and has is already where the others seem to be trudging towards, in terms of content first. The consistency across apps and within the platform make for a cohesive experience that is moving closer to being seamless with the desktop experience.
I don't know if I would suggest they can get on top on phones, but they are definitely putting forth a very strong proposition for everything down through tablets.
If they can get just a big chunk of enterprise-supporting apps along with the top non-game apps over one way or another, they'll have carved out a sustainable chunk of the pie. This along with their casting of bread and butter like Office onto Android and iOS gets them into an enviable position going forward. But, it's a massive slog to get mainstream consumers to retrench when we aren't looking at something similar to the difference between a Blackberry and an iPhone.
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#83> Developers will also be able to recycle their Objective-C apps for iOS using new tools in Visual Studio. Why am I suspecting that Apple had an additional agenda with Swift?
That was my first big ? as they were rolling on this set of features. But, in terms of languages, the uptake for MS with another language seems like merely a bandwidth issue at this point. Build 2016 could feasibly include Swift? What if they could bring the quality of Visual Studio on OSX to Swift and have the easy hooks to get those apps running on Windows?
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#84I'm a full-time iOS developer and want to share my perspective on this news. The developers who create those amazing apps on iOS are not going to fall for this. I'm one of those developers, who pays very close attention to detail to make pixel perfect apps that I'm proud to put my signature on. I will not accept my brand being introduced on Windows or any other platform using a glorified code generator. If I want to…
> There are all kinds of perceptions about Windows and Windows users that simply will not change because of this tool. You come across as an Apple fanboy snob.
With a tin ear no less. It seems that these types of statements focus on a small world vision devoid of a taste for, or experience, within the walls of mid and larger corporate entities whose systems are windows 10x over. Knowing that a massive client like a retailer, financial institution, etc. could put heat on an app developer to bring it to Windows because of the bigger savings that way for the client is big. This isn't about Candy Crush. This is about integrating that app which some business unit loves into the larger IT structure of bigger orgs.
Consumer myopia misses the billions related to "boring" apps that corporations use. Today's keynotes definitely balanced target markets. This wasn't a consumer-only sampling.
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#85This is amazing. I'm very curious how it works under the hood with the Android and iOS platforms. It wouldn't surprise me if it gets translated into MSIL. That's how I would do it at least. Also curious what the limitations are. If this works as advertised the Windows Mobile store could go from mediocre to pretty awesome as long as they get tailored for the platform.
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#86It's weird that this isn't the biggest news out of all the announcements today. Seems like an Electron fork is more interesting. Having Android APKs work unmodified (minus Google APIs) is pretty neat, but has been done before (BB, Jola). The real interesting part is the the Objective-C toolchain. Seems like they have an emulation layer for UIKit, Foundation and other frameworks. Probably hard for them to keep up with…
I think the idea of having new frameworks being built upon the cross-platform layers now present in all the competing vendors, is really the most viable way forward.
Instead of using one particular platforms' GUI framework - use only that which is common among each vendor, and fill in the missing with single-language, multi-target code, i.e. write once, truly run everywhere.
So that's why I'm putting energy into things like libGDX and MOAI as a developer - the host-build-is-the-OS ethos really seems like the way out of this big mess that Microsoft has now made. ;)
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#87In honor of "Where's the Beef", there is no info about this and you can't try it. Buried on an MSDN page is a signup form for a "limited number" or beta slots.
I classify this announcement as: currently vaporware.
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#88However exciting this is, I wonder how the support and future development will be accounted for. Porting an application is probably easy but the moment android adds a feature that is not supported by the Microsoft abstraction, you are either opting to choose the least common feature set or are maintaining two separate code bases. Both very unfavorable outcomes. I love windows phone and don't really miss many applicat…
Usually you can't really use cutting edge features anyway as the devices run older OS version (at least that's common in the case of Android)
Actually, Google Play Services dynamically adds or updates new features on older OS versions too (Maps etc). So this is not an issue now.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I loooooooove my Windows Phone. Seriously. Everyone stares at me as if I'm some sort of mutant when I tell them that I am a developer and I still love WP, but it's true. I have used iOS, BB, Android, but none of them compare to WP to me. I like the mix of customizability with solid, expected behaviors. The MS apps are phenomenal (also the Nokia apps), and all the major services have some sort of app, most official by…
Second this with my WP preference. I have a device for the major platforms, but my WP experience is better than the others. It's more intuitive and has is already where the others seem to be trudging towards, in terms of content first. The consistency across apps and within the platform make for a cohesive experience that is moving closer to being seamless with the desktop experience. I don't know if I would suggest…
Oh, yeah, I didn't mean WP would take over. I do think WP will take a bigger chunk of the market and will be around for the long haul, though.
By cyclical, I meant the "cool" factor of companies. I'm sure many people here remember when Apple was a total joke after being awesome. Microsoft is coming out of their "joke" phase, IMO.
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#90If this makes more people ignore Windows phone as a platform and just develop Android apps I'm all for it. Anything that hurts MS and their platforms gets a plus in my book. This looks like a nice step in the right (non-ms) direction.
As GNU lover I cannot understand this much of hate toward Microsoft , Why ? Microsoft is the only not spying on you , Google and NSA and every other big name does too.So if you want blame someone there is more name's applicable to blame ( like NSA , Government , Google and etc ) to blame than Microsoft.
I don't think Microsoft spying on us was ever anyone's main (or pertinent) concern.