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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Aldo_MX »

randomsearch wrote: post #153
nothrabannosir wrote: post #56

Wow. I seriously don't know what to think anymore. What is their end game? Which platform are they hoping to become / remain dominant in? Don't get me wrong---I'm as happy as the next guy about this. VS is the only tolerable language-dedicated IDE, if they take 25% of their VS engineering mantra to this it will be better than almost anything else. But where does it end? I am clearly so not in touch with my inner mba.…

> VS is the only tolerable language-dedicated IDE Jetbrains?

Unfortunately there isn't a Jetbrains IDE that works pretty well with big codebases...

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Aldo_MX »

snambi wrote: post #457

Microsoft is a shameless company. They used to attack Linux, GNU and GPL. Now, suddenly they want to be friends with Linux. Why? It has everything to do with money. Today windows is getting less relevant day by day. So, microsoft is trying to put their into Linux and Mac.

I have always seen the inverse: Stallman and followers treating anything done by Microsoft as an abomination.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by robwilliams »

DatBear wrote: post #341
gbl08ma wrote: post #133

The description says it's lightweight, but on my machine it uses over 200 MB of RAM with no files open, and appears to be a Chromium-based thing, much like Atom (as others pointed out, it's based on Electron). Meanwhile, Sublime Text is using less than 100 MB of RAM with dozens of files open, some of them quite big. Visual Studio tends to use less memory than this, too. If "the language services [Microsoft] built for…

On my machine with no files open it's at ~80-85MB RAM, VS2012 is at 500MB with nothing open. Not sure why 200MB is of any consequence unless you're in a third world country. 8GB of RAM is ~$50.

Code is only using 20MB on my Win8 box.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by honeybooboo123 »

sqeaky wrote: post #102
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior. Personally, I still want more. An open source editor would have been nice. Many good text editors are open source Vim, Emacs, Atom, Notepad++ entering this area with less community seems like an unneeded difficulty.

> I must agree with even though I don't want to. Microsoft seems to legitimately changing its behavior.

But you don't think they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, right?

This is just Microsoft doing whatever they think it takes to maintain or perhaps even enhance their position in the IT industry. They're still evil, just like always. It's just that now that MS is teetering on the edge of irrelevance, they have to pretend otherwise.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by mwcampbell »

Shog9 wrote: post #390
mwcampbell wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed on the crappiness of the web stack for this application. But WPF isn't necessarily better. Case in point: a Bible study program where one's choice of video card actually mattered, at least in 2009 (see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/6200.aspx ). BTW, I only know about that specific example because my brother is a preacher. I think a better foundation for a cross-platform editor/IDE would be SWT, the Stand…

And this is why it's web stack: there are no better alternatives. For decades of trying, this is the best we've managed to do for cross-platform UIs. It ain't great, but it soundly beats the alternatives.

I think that SWT proves that for some criteria, particularly nativeness and accessibility, it is possible to do better than the web stack while covering all major desktop platforms.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by frik »

mattlutze wrote: post #476
brudgers wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By design, Nadella is getting credit by design for 'overnight changes' many years in the making. Windows 10 reflects the strategic decisions embodied in Vista. Ballmer owned enough stock that along with Gates' backing Microsoft could produce a largely incompatible new version of the Windows OS and Wall Street could like it or lump it. Gates and Ballmer have been divesting Microsoft shares and the new company is behol…

Nadella did have a few softballs lined up for him, but they were likely no more than a few years old. Don't overestimate what can be done in two years, but don't underestimate what can be done in three. Let's not paint Ballmer as an Ozymandias, though, secretly architecting the salvation of the company for 10 years while on the face it looked like they were teetering toward annihilation. You're right, he wasn't an id…

"Microsoft’s most recent growth in hostnames since mid-2013 has, for the most part, been caused by a large number of Chinese linkfarms (泛站群). The sites in question provide advertising for gambling sites, online product listings, and normally make use of affiliate schemes. Yet they are hosted in the USA, on generic TLDs such as .com and .net to bypass China’s TLD and internet content provider (ICP) license requirements. Unusually, each linkfarm makes use of a reasonably large number of domains and IP addresses, presumably making them harder for search engines to evade. This would normally be cost prohibitive for this kind of activity, however hosting and domain packages can be found advertised on auction sites specifically for this purpose, with packages of (random/unspecified) .com domains available for as little as ¥17 (~ £2 / $3) each, guaranteed to remain yours for at least a month. It is not clear why IIS has been chosen for these sites, however it does have a considerably higher market share (for all of our metrics) in China compared to worldwide - for example 59% of domains hosted in China use IIS compared to just 29% worldwide."

source: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/07/31/july-2014-web-s...

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by alexdima »

tracker1 wrote: post #311
qhe wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can set line endings on the bottom right on the blue toolbar right next to the language, where it should say LF or CRLF.

Thanks... do you know if files save as UTF8 w/o BOM by default? Most MS/Windows apps seem to set BOM, which is problematic in nix tools.

If you open a file with a UTF8 BOM, then the BOM will be preserved. New files don't have the UTF8 BOM.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by brudgers »

cm2187 wrote: post #461
orionblastar wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem that Ballmer made in Windows 8 and Windows RT was in making the GUI for desktops and mobile devices the same. Steve Jobs on the other hand already learned in 2002 that the desktop GUI won't work on a mobile device and set out to create a new GUI for mobile devices that led to the iPhone and iPad that was different from the Macintosh GUI. I think Steve Jobs saw the Windows XP based tablets that Microsoft m…

I think it is more problematic than that. It takes only a few minutes of using Windows 8 on a desktop to realise it was a terrible idea. Like when you right click and the context menu appears at the bottom of the screen. They clearly haven't tried that with a mouse on a 4k monitor. They reversed most of these moronic design decisions in 8.1 and the 10 preview, but they kept some (hopefully they will be fixed before t…

Evaluating a user interface in a few minutes makes sense for things which will be used for a few minutes...and for journalists in need of sensational headlines under deadlines. An operating system is complex and used over a long period of time. Using Windows 8 meant I had to learn something. It took a day or two to become effective. A few months to become more effective than I had been under Windows 7, and a while before I really started to get it.

That effort made learning xmonad a breeze because I accepted the idea that I would have to spend time paying the dumb tax. It turned out to be only a morning.

Emacs on the other hand....

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by alexdima »

harunurhan wrote: post #478

May be I am missing something, but I could not see anything about IntelliSense for Node. I tried exactly what they showed at the conference. http://i.imgur.com/lMQvZa0.png

Or you could just type __directory, wait for the squiggly to show up and press ctrl-. => there is a code action there that will download the node.d.ts and add a /// reference for you

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by alexdima »

Matthias247 wrote: post #358

As some members of the development team are reading here: Text rendering on Win8.1 with 4k screen and 175% scaling is slightly blurry compared to normal Visual Studio. Is that known and are there any plans to improve on that? I remembered similar issues with Atom before :( Otherwise it looks great for a first release! Looking forward to how it evolves.

Thanks! We'll look into that
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