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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

By design, Nadella is getting credit by design for 'overnight changes' many years in the making. Windows 10 reflects the strategic decisions embodied in Vista. Ballmer owned enough stock that along with Gates' backing Microsoft could produce a largely incompatible new version of the Windows OS and Wall Street could like it or lump it. Gates and Ballmer have been divesting Microsoft shares and the new company is behol…

Yes. People who are quick to criticize Ballmer and praise Nadella do not realize that even though Ballmer was mostly into cruise control he indeed let people like Nadella lead other important efforts. None of these products seem like "overnight changes".

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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ASP.Net is going nowhere, the abomination known as Web Controls is on the way out (and good riddance). It will never go away, there's too much code and money involved, but it won't be used for new projects.

"but it won't be used for new projects" I would interpret that statement as: it's on the way out.

ASP.Net is not going anywhere, perhaps you should read a little closer before you respond.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Funny thing is most MS devs seem to think that asp.net is on its way out.

There is no real alternative to ASP.NET.

I don't know about that. A lot of companies, some of the world's largest, use non-MS technologies and seem to get by very well.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2. You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on and it's obvious to those are not unduly biased that he was speaking about the GPL and the licenses that were similar to it.

What I think is " obvious to those who are not unduly biased " is that he was cherrypicking the most extreme example (the restrictive GPL license, which is not used by most open source software[1]), and then trying to use that to spraypaint FUD over the (much) broader open source concept as a whole. "Open source is not available to commercial companies" is about as factually incorrect as any statement in the English…

weird how the GPL shows up as the most popular license by having double the marketshare of number 2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft#Viral_licensing

" Craig Mundie remarked, "This viral aspect of the GPL poses a threat to the intellectual property of any organization making use of it."[35] In another context, Steve Ballmer declared that code released under GPL is useless to the commercial sector (since it can only be used if the resulting surrounding code becomes GPL), describing it thus as "a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches"."

It seems even the Wiki editors believe he was speaking about the GPL.

Stop being a jackass.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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> Is he wrong about the GPL? Yes, even if he was talking about the GPL when he said "open source software", he would be wrong. (And if he meant the GPL, he would be wrong in using the general term "open source software" in referring to it, even if his statements were accurate for the GPL.) > It actually does what he is talking about by design. No it doesn't. He says "if you use any open-source software, you have to m…

He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2. You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on and it's obvious to those are not unduly biased that he was speaking about the GPL and the licenses that were similar to it.

It seems to me like he was purposefully taking a hard political stance on a nuanced issue in order to drive people who are uninformed or unsure about these things into his own company's pen. It has nothing to do with linux, GPL, or any technicality, and everything to do with perceptions, executive policy, and business culture.

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Linux owns everything else, but Microsoft still own the corporate - and home - desktop. Devs using Linux or Mac are not the majority of users.

Except the home desktop is a dying (or dead) breed - and many people will either have OSX laptops at home, or no traditional computer at all, only phones and tablets... They could choose Office 365 to some extent, but they could just as easily choose gApps.

Tales of the desktop dying are long in the tooth.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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> Is he wrong about the GPL? Yes, even if he was talking about the GPL when he said "open source software", he would be wrong. (And if he meant the GPL, he would be wrong in using the general term "open source software" in referring to it, even if his statements were accurate for the GPL.) > It actually does what he is talking about by design. No it doesn't. He says "if you use any open-source software, you have to m…

He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2. You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on and it's obvious to those are not unduly biased that he was speaking about the GPL and the licenses that were similar to it.

No, you can use Linux without having to open source the stuff you run on Linux. That is not an accurate observation by any stretch of the imagination.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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The description says it's lightweight, but on my machine it uses over 200 MB of RAM with no files open, and appears to be a Chromium-based thing, much like Atom (as others pointed out, it's based on Electron). Meanwhile, Sublime Text is using less than 100 MB of RAM with dozens of files open, some of them quite big. Visual Studio tends to use less memory than this, too. If "the language services [Microsoft] built for…

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Thanks M$ :) This is a good move if they're hoping to entice Eclipse users on *nix to migrate from the JVM ecosystem to CLR. Deploying Windows programs on FreeBSD is one thing but if they want to grow their developer base, they need to target programmers who don't run VS on Windows.

That's what I thought when I read the headline, reading the comments it's clear it's just another programmer's text editor.

Eclipse is a full, powerful, customizable platform, mature with plugins for everything.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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They should just rename it "Code", visual studio inevitably brings memories of "bad M$". This is going to be a good trojan horse to lure developers into the microsoft platforms now with windows 10 and all, esp. as OSX developers are getting tired working with 80s technologies.

There are a billion things called "code" already. Calling it 'Visual Studio' highlights two fairly important things:

1. It is an IDE

2. It is owned by Microsoft

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