Would be nice if you fixed your login so you could get to the download. Still the same old Microsoft. Seriously can't you just have a simple link to download? Tsk tsk, should've hired me for that I'd position
Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor
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#382Lots of "Microsoft" on the front page of HN.
Today is the first day of the Build conference, which is Microsoft's main developer conference. Their new dev toys were announced today.
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Is he wrong about the GPL? It actually does what he is talking about by design. Every company which uses GPL code is very careful about how they do so. A lot won't touch GPLv3 because of the newer restrictions. AGPL as well.
> Is he wrong about the GPL? Yes, even if he was talking about the GPL when he said "open source software", he would be wrong. (And if he meant the GPL, he would be wrong in using the general term "open source software" in referring to it, even if his statements were accurate for the GPL.) > It actually does what he is talking about by design. No it doesn't. He says "if you use any open-source software, you have to m…
He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2. You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on and it's obvious to those are not unduly biased that he was speaking about the GPL and the licenses that were similar to it.
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> Open source is not available to commercial companies. The way the license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to make the rest of your software open source. If the government wants to put something in the public domain, it should. Linux is not in the public domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license…
Is he wrong about the GPL? It actually does what he is talking about by design. Every company which uses GPL code is very careful about how they do so. A lot won't touch GPLv3 because of the newer restrictions. AGPL as well.
"After a year and a half of public consultation, thousands of comments, and four drafts, version 3 of the GNU General Public License (GPLv3) was finally published on June 29, 2007."
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html
Regardless of what one thinks about GPLv3, Ballmer could not possibly have been talking about it in 2001.
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By design, Nadella is getting credit by design for 'overnight changes' many years in the making. Windows 10 reflects the strategic decisions embodied in Vista. Ballmer owned enough stock that along with Gates' backing Microsoft could produce a largely incompatible new version of the Windows OS and Wall Street could like it or lump it. Gates and Ballmer have been divesting Microsoft shares and the new company is behol…
Indeed, Nadella is an opensource guy that had the chance to grow during Ballmer. While Microsoft (during Ballmer) had a slow change (going more opensource) from the bottom-to-top, there has been a faster change now from top-to-bottom. I remember Scott Hanselman, Scott Guthrie and Phil Haack (now at Github) during Ballmer as opensource contributors. Ballmer allowed opensource during his leadership, but employees would…
The layoffs come at a cost to the people who lost the jobs, not as much as a cost to Nadella or Microsoft. In fact, layoffs are usually a positive for the company. Of course, I'd also argue that in the longterm, layoffs are a positive for most of the people laid off.
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Funny thing is most MS devs seem to think that asp.net is on its way out.
There's ASP.Net and there's ASP.Net MVC. They're very different beasts, even though the latter is/was built upon the former. ASP.Net probably is on the way out, but MVC is not.
ASP.Net is going nowhere, the abomination known as Web Controls is on the way out (and good riddance).
It will never go away, there's too much code and money involved, but it won't be used for new projects.
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#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Is he wrong about the GPL? Yes, even if he was talking about the GPL when he said "open source software", he would be wrong. (And if he meant the GPL, he would be wrong in using the general term "open source software" in referring to it, even if his statements were accurate for the GPL.) > It actually does what he is talking about by design. No it doesn't. He says "if you use any open-source software, you have to m…
He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2. You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on and it's obvious to those are not unduly biased that he was speaking about the GPL and the licenses that were similar to it.
> He directly referenced Linux which is famously under GPLv2.
Sure, he used it as an example, but he also explicitly made a generality about open source software, not the GPLv2. In any case, what he said was wrong about Linux, wrong about the GPL (including GPLv2), and wrong about open source software, so arguing over which of those he was talking about is a sideshow.
> You can argue with this wording if you like, but his observation is spot on
No, its absolutely, completely false. You can use -- or even distribute -- "open source software" (or GPL software, or Linux specifically) without "all your other software" being required to become open source.
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This editor is built on Atom.
So is there any reason to use it instead of Atom? (assuming you're not developing with .net or C#)
If it supports any form of semantic completion (i.e. Intellisense) , that would be a reason. I'm still not sure from reading the article if that's the case, though.
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So it's crappy HTML and JS underneath? I was hoping for cross-platform WPF :(.
Agreed on the crappiness of the web stack for this application. But WPF isn't necessarily better. Case in point: a Bible study program where one's choice of video card actually mattered, at least in 2009 (see http://community.logos.com/forums/t/6200.aspx ). BTW, I only know about that specific example because my brother is a preacher. I think a better foundation for a cross-platform editor/IDE would be SWT, the Stand…
And this is why it's web stack: there are no better alternatives.
For decades of trying, this is the best we've managed to do for cross-platform UIs. It ain't great, but it soundly beats the alternatives.