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Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

s_kilk wrote: post #117
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OCaml doesn't come with the ecosystem that F# does. It isn't about availability, but APIs to play with.

I'm not sure I buy the ecosystem argument. We've recently seem other languages come from out of nowhere, with no ecosystem, to become major languages (Golang, for example). I don't think there's really anything stopping OCaml from being more widely adopted, except for lack of attention from trend-setters.

Go gets a lot of buzz on places like HN, but that's a long way away from being a major language.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

tomjen3 wrote: post #138
bjt wrote: post #102

My first question was "So how do I build "Hello World"? For anyone else wondering that, go to https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/Documentation/... .

For those of you who want to save the click: you need to build half the stuff on a windows machine and the copy it over - and you need mono to fetch the dependencies(!).

For now? Yes but not for long - https://github.com/dotnet/corefx/issues/1576

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #141
s_kilk wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I buy the ecosystem argument. We've recently seem other languages come from out of nowhere, with no ecosystem, to become major languages (Golang, for example). I don't think there's really anything stopping OCaml from being more widely adopted, except for lack of attention from trend-setters.

Go gets a lot of buzz on places like HN, but that's a long way away from being a major language.

Rob pike and company are also systems folks; the language supports the ecosystem they are building, not the other way around.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by anonbanker »

In order to stay relevant, Microsoft attempts to supplant Xamarin's stakehold in the Linux/iPhone market, by directly eating their lunch.

This is the same thing Microsoft did to IBM. Microsoft will do it to any "partner" they feel they can cannibalize. The Halloween Documents are not only relevant, but canon with this move.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by math »

pron wrote: post #78
Someone1234 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is like the Java runtime, but started afresh with all of Java's learned lessons taken into account (although Java with 7 and 8 in particular is catching up). Up until now however it has only ran on Windows which was its biggest "downside" Vs. Java which runs on many platforms.

The JVM is much more sophisticated than the CLR. Its GCs and JIT are many, many years ahead of the CLR's.

The CLR offers a lot of functionality that the JVM doesn't (see Someone123's comment) - which in my opinion makes is it a lot more compelling - so in that way it is more sophisticated than the JVM.

A reference to back your statement up would be great... (i couldn't find a good one quickly). Are you aware of the capabilities of the CLR's next generation RyuJIT? What you say is at odds with what I thought, but I'd love my perceptions to be corrected if they are indeed incorrect.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

anonbanker wrote: post #144

In order to stay relevant, Microsoft attempts to supplant Xamarin's stakehold in the Linux/iPhone market, by directly eating their lunch. This is the same thing Microsoft did to IBM. Microsoft will do it to any "partner" they feel they can cannibalize. The Halloween Documents are not only relevant, but canon with this move.

Well technically Xamarin are eating Microsoft's lunch right about now - https://trello.com/b/vRPTMfdz/net-framework-integration-into...

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

jakejake wrote: post #93

I'm curious, is there enough released yet to build server-side web apps? Would there be an apache mod, or some other web server? Or is there something more akin to a node app? I really enjoy C#, but everything that I did was either a Windows-only desktop app or a web app served through IIS. Thanks for any insight.

http://nancyfx.org - Sinatra for .NET (Nancy being the daughter of Frank Sinatra)

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by typish »

nutate wrote: post #28

F# is a real breath of fresh air in comparison to something like Scala. It's direct ML heritage really shows, also just diving in with an IDE (like Xamarin, or I suppose Visual Studio) is super easy. I see it as the future of pop-functional programming. For example look at the way it handles type inference w/ JSON parsing. Compare that to what you have to do to parse JSON in Scala. It's subtle, but a major usability…

Also interesting is their F* language: http://fstar-lang.org/

"F* is a new higher order, effectful programming language (like ML) designed with program verification in mind. Its type system is based on a core that resembles System Fω (hence the name), but is extended with dependent types, refined monadic effects, refinement types, and higher kinds. Together, these features allow expressing precise and compact specifications for programs, including functional correctness properties. The F* type-checker aims to prove that programs meet their specifications using an automated theorem prover (usually Z3) behind the scenes to discharge proof obligations. Programs written in F* can be translated to OCaml, F#, or JavaScript for execution. "

It's open source too: https://github.com/FStarLang/FStar

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