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Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by coldtea »

apalmer wrote: post #104
coldtea wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java, with Oracle at the wheel, is not going anywhere. They've added closures in 8, big deal. C# is centuries ahead of Java 8, and with even more to come faster. And I'm saying that as an old Java dev (for 8 years up until 2008 or so) who have only dabbled in C#.

Ehhh, When Sun was at the helm Java was stuck in quicksand even worse than today. Its only a few years ago.

Later day SUN yes.

But 1996-2005 SUN made Java the #1 name in the enterprise and education space back in the day.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by cwyers »

s_kilk wrote: post #117
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #97

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OCaml doesn't come with the ecosystem that F# does. It isn't about availability, but APIs to play with.

I'm not sure I buy the ecosystem argument. We've recently seem other languages come from out of nowhere, with no ecosystem, to become major languages (Golang, for example). I don't think there's really anything stopping OCaml from being more widely adopted, except for lack of attention from trend-setters.

Well, one is sponsored by and used in production by Google, and the other is maintained by the French Institute for Research in Computer Science and Automation.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by darklajid »

bigdubs wrote: post #99
darklajid wrote: post #90

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How? Recent version of Windows come with recent versions of .Net out of the box. How would you 'win' here? The core clr is supposed to be bundled as far as I understand, so it'll be just another dependency of your application: You don't even NEED to install .Net (on the system/system-wide) anymore.

Recent versions of windows come with whatever version of .net was stable at the time, in order to upgrade you have to download from msdn. This vs. `sudo apt-get install upgrade` etc. The announcement of the windows package management features should help this though.

New versions often come via windows update (which you _could_ consider easier than manually installing it -> apt).

Plus, this is a thread about the core clr and as I said: That won't be required/necessary in a system wide installation anymore. So you now install RandomApp and .Net is just part of it - just like you can apt-get install random-app.

We're comparing now the package management, not the ease of installation of .Net. There is no installation of .Net anymore (or - see above: It sooner or later lands via windows update).

I'm a Linux guy, but that's [1] just a weird case to make here, both in general and specifically in this context.

1: Easier .Net installation on Linux than on Windows

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

tracker1 wrote: post #57
swalsh wrote: post #32

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I really want to run it on a Raspberry Pi

mono is integrating the coreclr floss bits pragmatically... so you can probably use mono (if it's in the raspian repo).

Yep - https://trello.com/b/vRPTMfdz/net-framework-integration-into...

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by s_kilk »

cwyers wrote: post #122
s_kilk wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I buy the ecosystem argument. We've recently seem other languages come from out of nowhere, with no ecosystem, to become major languages (Golang, for example). I don't think there's really anything stopping OCaml from being more widely adopted, except for lack of attention from trend-setters.

Well, one is sponsored by and used in production by Google, and the other is maintained by the French Institute for Research in Computer Science and Automation.

Good point.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

jakejake wrote: post #93

I'm curious, is there enough released yet to build server-side web apps? Would there be an apache mod, or some other web server? Or is there something more akin to a node app? I really enjoy C#, but everything that I did was either a Windows-only desktop app or a web app served through IIS. Thanks for any insight.

There's enough released to build server-side apps. ASP.NET and .NET in general has been decoupled from IIS over the last year via project OWIN. Self-hosting binaries is in big time.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ibebrett »

noir_lord wrote: post #8
aroman wrote: post #6

Am I the only one bothered that they didn't include the space between the "OS" and the "X"? More importantly, this is huge, but as a Linux developer/user I still have no desire to use .NET on my platform. Maybe Mono has scarred my permanently.

Also linux developer/user and I'd crawl over broken glass to have a reliable C# runtime on Linux, it's my absolute favorite language.

Just out of curiosity why? I personally can't imagine why someone would choose it as a favorite. Not because I think it is bad, but because I feel its kind of a kitchen sink language that doesn't really have any clear advantages or features.

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by ghuntley »

walkon wrote: post #69
phkahler wrote: post #41

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Only core components and now a stripped down IDE are open source (core is actually free software IIRC). I will only be impressed if the entire runtime stack becomes open source. Otherwise it's still a platform for DRM or other forms of lockdown. If you're not porting a .net application to MAC or Linux, I would avoid this for quite a while still. We don't know where this is going long term.

The runtime, Core CLR is is open source with MIT and porting is underway: https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr

Previously discussed @ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9431368 - Microsoft .NET CoreCLR is now running on FreeBSD 10.1 (amd64)

Re: Microsoft Launches Its .NET Distribution for Linux and Mac

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Post by pionar »

narrator wrote: post #58
scott00 wrote: post #15

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https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr MIT license

How about patent use grants, hmm? If I remember correctly, Microsoft is making a lot of money off of Android by licensing patents.

https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr/blob/master/PATENTS.TXT
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