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Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

#11

Post by sz4kerto »

igravious wrote: post #9
politician wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give it about 6 months and someone will announce a container-based package manager.

Hum, you could be right. I tried to install Discourse from source a while back on CentOS and gave up. A while later I tried the container method (Docker I believe) and bingo. So much magic going on under the hood though, dunno how I feel about it...

This kind of reminds me of just statically linking everything. We have not done that because it is a waste of resources but containers are all right then. :)

(OK, I'm aware of the differences, but I don't see containers as a salvation for client-side deployment.)

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by lqdc13 »

igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

They should just all be in PPAs on Ubuntu.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by davexunit »

igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

>There must be some way to _unify_ this proliferation of software update mechanisms.

https://gnu.org/s/guix

https://nixos.org

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by Digit-Al »

Sir_Substance wrote: post #7
igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

https://xkcd.com/927/

Ha! That's exactly the first thought I had. I guessed someone would beat me to it :-)

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by cwyers »

davexunit wrote: post #13
igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

>There must be some way to _unify_ this proliferation of software update mechanisms. https://gnu.org/s/guix https://nixos.org

Unify != replace. Guix/Nix don't integrate multiple package managers, it just is Another Package Manager.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

Please give us something that doesn't require PowerShell, since PowerShell never just works. Just look at the ridiculous bullshit that you have to deal with when you want to use Chocolatey (from the Chocolatey install guide):

Note: You must have your execution policy set to unrestricted (or at least in bypass) for this to work (Set-ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted). There have been reports that RemoteSigned is enough for the install to work.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

There must be some way to _unify_ this proliferation of software update mechanisms.

There's PackageKit, though that's mostly used for creating those graphical software center/app store types of applications.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by brusch64 »

igravious wrote: post #6

I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

Have you ever tried ninite (https://ninite.com/) ? Not perfect at all - but at least it works for some of the freeware utilities / programs I'm using on my windows PC.

Simply run the generated exe to install the program. Run it later to update the program.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by hetman »

This really is an audacious proposal and will be an awesome tool if they pull it off. For now there is still a long way to go. There is no command for upgrading a package version yet for example; in fact, when I looked at this a month ago, if you force it to install a newer package version without uninstalling the old one first, it simply seems to forget the old one ever existed and leaves associated files behind. Hopefully a lot of this will be ironed out by the time Windows 10 is released.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Post by Aleman360 »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #16

Please give us something that doesn't require PowerShell, since PowerShell never just works. Just look at the ridiculous bullshit that you have to deal with when you want to use Chocolatey (from the Chocolatey install guide): Note: You must have your execution policy set to unrestricted (or at least in bypass) for this to work (Set-ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted). There have been reports that RemoteSigned is enough for…

PowerShell is disabled by default for security reasons. It's one command to enable it.
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