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Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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As someone who isn't very familiar with package managers, what does this mean for Chocolatey?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/chocolatey/a8WdEoF-M...

> What does this mean for Chocolatey? More awesome. More security. More better. Chocolatey is going nowhere, OneGet is a core API that enables package managers to hook in and take advantage of Windows components easier.

> The best understanding I have is that OneGet is shipping with a prototype plugin compatible with Chocolatey. Right now this means that it is separate from Chocolatey. We will be working with Garrett to bring the plugin over to core Chocolatey as we rewrite the Chocolatey client in C# this year.

> Right now folks are getting up in arms as they see this as a replacement for Chocolatey and it is not. Chocolatey will need to build a few hooks for use with OneGet.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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As someone who isn't very familiar with package managers, what does this mean for Chocolatey?

Looks like it means it could get more traction usage as it gets included in this aggregator. One hopes this alleviates the pains in delivering and managing SW packages on win machines.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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As someone who isn't very familiar with package managers, what does this mean for Chocolatey?

Well, I don't feel like it really had any future. Sysadmins knew MS was going to launch this thing soon and Chocolatey requires trust in some random third party, which is unsettling. My understanding is they recently tried a more linuxy volunteer based system, but frankly its too little too late. I'd say once this launches Chocolatey is dead. I guess it could work with this system, but why bother with all of its liabilities? You can just build a local package source on a shared drive and call it a day. Or I could see an official one eventually hosted by MS. Enterprise needs some level of protection against poisoned sources.

Also, word to to wise, if you want to push your software in an environment full of regulations, PHB's, etc pick a professional name for it. There's a reason people pay for Photoshop or use Paint.net instead of The Gimp. Or why the FCK editor goes by the name CK editor now.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this.

http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag...

I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen...

There must be some way to _unify_ this proliferation of software update mechanisms.

edit: It would be ironic in the extreme if Windows of all platforms manages to get this out the gate before the Linux community considering how awesome stuff like apt-get, yum, and emerge are... Oh well, just goes to show that open-source giveth with the one hand and taketh with the other.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

Give it about 6 months and someone will announce a container-based package manager.

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

Give it about 6 months and someone will announce a container-based package manager.

Hum, you could be right. I tried to install Discourse from source a while back on CentOS and gave up. A while later I tried the container method (Docker I believe) and bingo. So much magic going on under the hood though, dunno how I feel about it...

Re: Introducing PackageManagement in Windows 10

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I recently blogged about the Linux world needing something like this. http://leto.electropoiesis.org/propaganda/plugins-and-packag... I hate having to individually update my Wordpress install, my Rubies, my system packages, my IDE (be it Eclipse or Android Studio), a separate TeXLive install from the OS packages, even Vim now has its own package management with Pathogen... There must be some way to _unify_ this proli…

https://xkcd.com/927/

So cynical. But unfortunately, so true.
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