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Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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I'd be interested to know how the piracy of music compares to the piracy of video. Which industry has better (legal) streaming options, and does this correlate with lower piracy?

Everyone who I knew used to pirate music (think of p2p programs like Ares or Limewire) now uses either youtube or spotify.

I like rdio.com.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

I call bullshit. Absolute bullshit. If I gave you a credit card that gave you unlimited access to digital content you probably wouldn't be complaining. Certainly not if you live in the US or much of Europe. If you have a $69 AppleTV then iTunes is a spectacular user experience. Search for almost anything you want and hit play. If it didn't cost $5 to rent a movie it's superior to torrents. This is where someone chime…

There has been more than one study showing that people who pirates content are ususally the group that spend most on content.

This is for the simple reason that people that pirates stuff are the one that are interested enough for the content.

So study show that people that use piracy are also the same people that buy the legal content. Why ? For many reasons, it might be easier to pirate than getting it in legal ways, it might not be available legally yet, or it might, obviosuly, cost more than they are willing to spend.

There are people that only pirate stuff and don't pay for anything, sure there are, but most pirates are just interested people that for one reason or the other can't get the same thing legally (money is only one of the reasons).

And that also is one of my biggest problem with the argument against piracy. They treat each pirated copy of something like a missed sale, and that's just stupid.

If my budget for movies is 100$, i'll spend that 100$. After that, if I want more content, my option are pirate the other stuff or simply not consuming it. Not increasing my budget.

I don't have one research to show you, because there has been more than one, so I'll leave you this link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pirates+spend+more

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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I'd argue that region based licensing is killing the industry, along with the reluctance for content producers to serve content through Netflix or something comparable. Netflix just launched in Australia. If it had all the shows I wanted, I'd sign up in a heart beat. But it's still missing a good chunk because of the licensing deals that already exist over here. I want to support the Netflix model and content produce…

Your $12.50 per month is not paying for all of the content you consume.

Correct. I'd be happy to pay more for a decent service that had all the content I wanted, or even for multiple services. But paying $100 a month for non-HD cable is about my only option at the moment, and that's not on demand. Again, region specific licensing to blame.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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Then why are so many Steam games pirated? I'm not doubting that service can be a cause. But I think it's crazy to pretend getting something for nothing isn't a good motivation.

I'd play a pirated version of a game before using the Steam version. Steam implements DRM and is generally obnoxious, trying to force itself all over games (popups), showing sdverts, etc. It just shows how terrible things are in game-buying-land. Look at the Xbox 360. A marketplace UI so laggy, you wonder how they technically able to make it that slow.

GOG is a nice DRM-free alternative. I've been trying to buy as much as I can through there, in order to support their DRM-free initiative.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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Reminds me of what Gabe Newell said about piracy: It's not a pricing issue, but a service issue.

That's easy to say when the products you sell aren't as easy to pirate as movies and music. Let's say a content provider created the perfect media service, exactly to your specifications - super easy, DRM free, etc. etc. Done and done; the service issue is gone. Tomorrow, you want a new movie. On one hand, you have Provider X's new service, and on the other, you have piracy, which gives you pretty much the same conte…

Movie price should still be subject to market pressure rather than the false valuations of the content owners. Having every provider create their own competing digital standard for media distribution is as absurd as expecting them to all produce their own hardware for playing DVDs.

For efficient media distribution you need a common medium through which to publish it. Leave the creation of those platforms to others and charge a licensing fee for the content but let those services carry any content they can pay for. The customers will decide which services they prefer and you don't run the risk of funding a losing platform.

Popular movies will still be able to pull in millions on top of the box office earnings through licensing and a lot of also ran movies will likely make more than they do now as they are picked up by later audiences after they've come out from under the shadow of the big hits. I'm sure you could come up with some creative licensing terms that take viewership into account or go up for renewal on a regular basis so that they could be adjusted.

They already debut their content in the same theatres, why not a common home theatre?

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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I'm not sure where to begin with your comment and all the strange and inaccurate things it says... but this kind of idyllic utopia (which to me seems like some horrible mind-numbing lifestyle) will never exist. Economic incentive is the cornerstone of modern effective society. Basic Income might work but it's far more complicated than you make it seem and it's not something that just lets everyone do whatever they wa…

Well yeah I mean, I'm not gonna write a dissertation on HN. I like to think the future is more Star Trek (do whatever you want, free food/shelter/awesomeness) than Star Wars (pretty much what we have now with some new toys and psychic powers). But I disagree that "there will need to be industry and incentive to create the income in the first place". I think people largely just do stuff because either they're coerced,…

I did immediately think "Star Wars" when I read your original comment. This is very off topic, but something I've been thinking about lately. Will basic needs ever be taken care of for everyone, so we can work on whatever we want? I get that economic incentive is the "cornerstone of modern society", but what about the society of the future? It's hard to imagine, but then again I also have a hard time imagining only 150 years ago (in the US) we were lining up and shooting each other for the right to own other people.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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It seems a little weird that the fork Wired is promoting in this post is the fork alleged to have malware http://www.reddit.com/r/PopCornTime/comments/2lyxnm/time4pop... (also known as Time4Popcorn). I don't know why they didn't promote popcorntime.io instead which is the more popular and open fork ranking higher on Google etc.

I always had the impression that someone ( or some group ) actively promotes confusion in the bittorrent world.

If I am right, this is a powerful tatic, to raise noise ratio and keep non technical folks away.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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>it'll make it completely obvious that the only reason to still pirate is because its free. // I've been watching a show recently on UK terrestrial TV (via a watch again, don't have live TV). The adverts are mind-numbing. Seriously, I have to leave the room now. Every damn one has animated/puppet talking animals in, none of them sell the benefits of any sort of product they're just attempts to manipulate. Dammit, if…

What films do you watch that have ads in them? I'm not sure I've ever come across that, in any region. TV: If you didnt pay for it, they are including the adverts to pay for the production. Just because you don't want to see those adverts doesn't mean it's "right" to go pirate the content. It's more a form of protest than anything.

I don't go to the cinema often but there is always 15-25 mins of adverts from the posted start time for the film and usually the film includes product placements. You take your kids to the cinema, pay for the tickets, buy the ludicrously priced popcorn .. I've actually no problem with this provided they post a start time for the movie so I can come after the ads.

The point for the TV shows is that you can't pay to watch them without ads.

Ads that tell you about a product, fair enough; every other advert is just an attempt to trick you in to buying something.

>Just because you don't want to see those adverts doesn't mean it's "right" to go pirate the content. //

It doesn't mean it's wrong either. There are good arguments for why it's wrong, but that doesn't really feature; if we start from a point of agreeing that most advertising is psychological manipulation that has no place in a well-formed society, then we add that engagement with popular culture is a [low grade] human need ...

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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From elsewhere i have gotten the impression that some central legal figures within the business have some kind of stuck up idea about counting copies. There was a company trying to offer cloud based DVR service, and found that the only way they could get big media legal approval was to not use deduplication of any kind. This meant that their storage costs skyrocketed.

I think this is to do with media controllers (the managers of the megacorps) predicating value on number of copies reproduced. Shows are not to be allowed to be given only the value of production but must be talked up to have a value according to the number of copies - the more expensive the copies can be made to appear the more realistic it seems that a copy should cost more. Charging $20 per viewer for content that…

This is a very risky business. People won't put money if reward is only 10%. And you are talking about successful products. The overall return would be far lower.
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