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Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I think travel as a universal solution for everyone and every problem is clearly overdone. Having said that, I'm assuming you are introverted. You probably would have had a better experience traveling in a pair with a highly extroverted friend who can break the ice with other people for you then bring you into the fold. Just a thought.

It's not the travel itself that matters, but the challenges and new perspectives that it brings. You won't get an epiphany on an all-inclusive trip; and I've seen people relocate across the globe and continue to live the same life they had back in their home countries. Trying to solve anything by running away is just that - escaping. It may work for a while, but at some point you'll have to stop and face your demons.…

As a rather introverted individual with a lot of issues when it comes to striking up conversation.

I find I'm actually really good at it, but I need to say that first word before anything happens.

The only advice I could give is similar to ferris' 4 hour work week advice, start small and practice.

If you can't ask someone for the time, a lighter, or for directions you won't be able to walk up to a cute girl and say "hi".

So start with those small every day questions anyone should feel comfortable being asked by a stranger. Even if you know exactly what time it is and where you are, this doesn't matter.

Also as a helper, ask people you aren't intimidated by, a non female, an older person etc etc.

Once you're comfortable with those things, start by randomly smiling at people, then start saying hi. Then start saying more. You'll get a few people who ask you to not, walk away, or look at you weird but that's ok, its all part of it. Remember you will never see these people again.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I fully agree with aidos. It's much more rewarding if you go to a place and live like a local. In my case I've done a few voluntary work trips, the longest I did together with my wife and it lasted a year. I always try to learn the language in countries when I stay more than a couple of weeks. It quickly breaks the ice when you work side-by-side with the locals, trying to speak their language. You may not get to see…

Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say you feel disconnected from others when you get back? Do you mean in the sense that you feel their understanding of the world is limited compared to yours because you've seen/experienced more of it? Or in the sense that you had a different kind of fun/adventure that they'll never experience or know about?

I can only speak of my own experience. My longer journeys has always been for doing voluntary work. Often that meant I got to experience these moments of fantastic joy and then the next day moments of extreme misery (not to my person but local people around me). So part of it is an emotional roller coaster. The other part is intellectual, I got to learn how other cultures and languages work, far removed from my own. I learned new ways of dealing with things in life. It sounds small now that I write it but it's truly mind expanding.

When I got back I felt that I had thoroughly changed, yet my friends and family considered me to be the same person I was when I left. How could they do anything else? They couldn't possibly know what I had been through. To them I had just been away for a (short) while. To me they started to feel narrow-minded and set in their ways. The things I now found interesting weren't interesting to them, they couldn't understand them. The things they found interesting had lost its appeal to me.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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post #70

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Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say you feel disconnected from others when you get back? Do you mean in the sense that you feel their understanding of the world is limited compared to yours because you've seen/experienced more of it? Or in the sense that you had a different kind of fun/adventure that they'll never experience or know about?

You go to a new place and start doing things differently. You discover better ways to do things and realize people back home don't understand what they're doing. For example, in New York City, it seems the main activity for young people is to go out to bars and restaurants. You pack your bags and head somewhere tropical. You pick up a water sport like surfing or kiteboarding. You start waking up at 6am with the sunri…

Yeah, I think the last paragraph probably nails it down quite well.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I've been a "digital nomad" for the last year. I left my full-time job in Australia & headed for Berlin & just picked up a few casual consulting gigs via Dribbble (I'm a designer). I quickly realized that I really enjoy slow traveling - staying in places for 2-3 months & trying to keep a normal routine. I work full-time now, pretty crazy hours, but I generally move somewhere new every 3 months. I spend a few months o…

May I ask you when you go for these 3 month stints in a city, what do you do about housing? Do you go for temporary apartments or some sort of temporary roommate situation? I work as a freelancer and while a lot of my work can be done independent of location, I've been interested to move for certain projects. However, since we're only talking a couple of months, I wasn't sure about the best housing options.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I agree it isn't for everyone. But there are many different types of people it is for. I don't really fit with "stepping outside your comfort zone" etc.. But quoting and traveling and working online works for me. I think way more it is about this type of thing being in your comfort zone. When I hear people talking about how they stepped out of their comfort zone it seems to me they just aren't comfortable plodding th…

Not sure why you're assuming people do it so they can seem cool to others, and not just because they like challenging themselves and exploring the new. Overall it seems like you're looking for a basic philosophical debate about 'plain happiness' vs. constant challenge and growth. It's a big topic of course, but to me it comes down to satisfaction vs 'plain happiness'. The scientist or inventor who toils day on end, l…

I didn't mean to imply this

>> why you're assuming people do it so they can seem cool to others I am certain that is not always true. I think often when people are explaining to others some of those people phrase things in a way that is meant to impress others (and somewhat often, impress themselves as well).

My opinions on the "stepping outside comfort zone" discussions are based on my interaction with people. I could, of course, be making incorrect judgements.

Anyway the following is mainly just for me - putting my thoughts into writing lets me think about it a bit more. I am not sure if it helps anyone else. But...

I would not assume people are stating it that way to be cool. I would, based on their other statements, how they behave, the choices they make, the way they treat others... make judgements about the particular individual in question. Those I only know a little bit, I would be more likely to be wrong. I try to make judgement with an understanding of how much uncertainty there is in that judgement.

There really isn't much reason for anyone to place much weight in my thoughts. But I just express what I have seen. And I have seen lots of people talking about "stepping outside your comfort zone" that are misstating what it seems to me is really going on (both from location independent folks and others). This mainly matters when they convince other people what they should be doing.

I think the advice would be better if people said I found out that I didn't like the common expectations and decided to take matters into my own hands to do what I felt would be better for me. And that was a bit scary for me (for most people it is) but I am happy now (or not - I tried something and it didn't work, which is fine, if you don't have this happen you probably are missing out on lots of potentially cool stuff for you). That way people don't go focus on "getting out of their comfort zone" they focus on what would make them happy and then take a look at how to get there even if it means being a bit unconventional.

Then they have to evaluate how willing they are to take risks, or try this new thing in order to achieve that new state. But the focus isn't on being uncomfortable but on getting something they want and whether they are willing to do some things that might be uncomfortable for them to get there.

There are times when just doing something crazy that you are scared to do may make sense. But I think that is fairly rare. Being willing to try something that you are not sure you will like in order to see, makes perfect sense. Accepting that you are willing to risk potential discomfort makes sense.

And there are times to try things you didn't like much (in the past) or you are a bit uncomfortable with because this gives you new data. People are complex. We change over time. What you hated once, you may not hate later. I hated public speaking as a little kid. I figured I could have a job that didn't involve that or working in loud factories (we visited some as a kid and it didn't seem fun to me).

As I grew up one way to make money that on balance appealed to me was giving seminars. Over the years I got past hating public speaking but it still wasn't something I felt at ease with. It did make me uncomfortable. I have done it and am happy. And it still is somewhat uncomfortable. But overall it makes my life better. So avoiding anything not in your comfort zone I think is most often a mistake. But I think it is not so much about doing things outside your comfort zone being innately good (which is how many people talk when they are telling people about their adventures and explaining their path to success...).

I think instead it is about seeking your deep happiness. And not falling into habits that leave you plodding along day to day in a way that isn't how you really want to leave but is easy. And not being limited because you fear any significant step outside your comfort zone. But also mainly it is about getting to places that are in your comfort zone and lead to a life of long term happiness. For many people that is a job in a office that is secure with a spouse and kids and living something close to the 1950s ideal (update in various ways). And for some people it is being a nomad, for others being a farmer for 10 years then a artist, then a computer programmer then, for others being a doctor and spending 3 weeks a year in very poor countries with Doctors without Borders, etc.. For some it is even being a lawyer (even if, in my experience these have a high rate of not being happy in the long term, that isn't universal - some are very happy with that for their entire life).

Each choice has benefits and consequences. I think many people would have happier and more fulfilling lives if they challenged the conventional wisdom (of their situation) much more. I think the main things that are required is examining yourself, think sensibly about the long term, be willing to accept the consequences or your decisions and evaluating how that is working for you.

It isn't so much an overall conventional wisdom that traps people, in my opinion but a more specific conventional wisdom for those you associate with. Like most things, this isn't universal, but it is very common it seems to me. Those you associate with and those you watch, read and listen to will shape what you think is acceptable and what options are sane and what are crazy. Often those limitations are the biggest barrier to you making as much of your life as you can. Occasionally you are blessed to have that pull you forward into being the most you can be. If so, appreciate how lucky you were. I think I was pretty lucky.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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post #93

Don't work illegally. It may seem easy (and is) but you never know the nightmare it can unleash. Travel is what you make it. You can travel without moving - interact with different people locally. You can travel by changing career. It is simply a process of changing environment. Join a hiking group, a cooking club, even learn a new skill, 'push your bubble' - that is travel. Travel the world... Take the decision care…

This isn't terribly profound, but I think I just like to read books in different places. I enjoy it; it feels satisfying. The volume on that seems to edge up when I'm in a really different location, like another country. That's not a counterpoint to what you said. It's just what hit me, and I thought it was funny.

I think part of the joy of traveling is leaving things behind including the distractions and worried that keep you from enjoying the things you love to do such as reading. Time seems to become your own again, because it is not fractured by the typical concerns. I always buy a new book or two when I go on vacation because I know I will find the time no matter what.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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post #69

I spent the last four years doing web development while on playing drums in multiple touring bands. I got to travel abroad for free, and meet great people through it. Unfortunately I remember very little of this time because I was taking on freelance projects to make side money and using mobile broadband to work in the van. It was incredibly stressful and one of the worst ideas. Multitasking the two jobs just burned…

For what it's worth I've really enjoyed some of your output during that time though, I was actually listening to one of the o pioneers pink couch recording earlier today. Sorry to hear it burned you out though, I can definitely see how that'd happen trying to tour and work freelance simultaneously.

Thanks! I really want to get back to recording those sessions but it's so hard to get up and running.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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As heliodor mentions below, language schools will sort you out. In Brazil I walked in and made gestures that I wanted to learn Portuguese (they refused to speak English, even though some of them could, a little). The conversation went on like that and eventually one of the staff took me on a bus to where I would stay with a family. I ended up with a relatively wealthy family, others at the same school were in totally…

Thanks for the great reply. I want to end my trip by spending 3 months in Spain learning Spanish. I'm thinking of Valencia because I think it'll be fairly warm there even during winter months, it's somewhat central, I hear it's fun, and everyone speaks Spanish... Barcelona would be a really fun city to live in also but I think it'd be better to be surrounded 100% by the language I am learning instead of Catalan :-) B…

If you're escaping Catalan, you might want to know that many people in Valencia speak Valencian, a variant of Catalan. It's not as common as in Barcelona, though.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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I've been a "digital nomad" for the last year. I left my full-time job in Australia & headed for Berlin & just picked up a few casual consulting gigs via Dribbble (I'm a designer). I quickly realized that I really enjoy slow traveling - staying in places for 2-3 months & trying to keep a normal routine. I work full-time now, pretty crazy hours, but I generally move somewhere new every 3 months. I spend a few months o…

May I ask you when you go for these 3 month stints in a city, what do you do about housing? Do you go for temporary apartments or some sort of temporary roommate situation? I work as a freelancer and while a lot of my work can be done independent of location, I've been interested to move for certain projects. However, since we're only talking a couple of months, I wasn't sure about the best housing options.

I've done a mix of both, but mostly I do AirBnb. It's much cheaper if you're renting for 2-3 months & owners usually always agree to some kind of discount as it's much better for them to have a secure long-term booking.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs to travel the world, how did it go?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I ask you when you go for these 3 month stints in a city, what do you do about housing? Do you go for temporary apartments or some sort of temporary roommate situation? I work as a freelancer and while a lot of my work can be done independent of location, I've been interested to move for certain projects. However, since we're only talking a couple of months, I wasn't sure about the best housing options.

I've done a mix of both, but mostly I do AirBnb. It's much cheaper if you're renting for 2-3 months & owners usually always agree to some kind of discount as it's much better for them to have a secure long-term booking.

Thanks for that tip. I didn't even think of possibly asking for a discount for a multi-month booking.
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