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Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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> The described technology is independent of the source of the torrent. This also applies to bittorrent. > The moment Popcorn Time adds Ads, there will be a fork without them. I understand what you mean. You're thinking I'm claiming the ads would go inside the client? If you look up the chain of conversation, I said that the ads would go on the website that hosts the magnets/torrents. We see the same thing with bitto…

You don't need to access any website to use Popcorn Time.

Is the idea that the program has a means to search, verify and download torrent files outside of centralized magnet/torrent websites? I did not get this from the article.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

You are asking for the impossible, people are not going to pay for what they can always get at better quality for $0. Fans are happy to curate the art the like and will always do a better work , and for free. The only thing that might make sense is if they distributed an original instead of a copy, i.e. a different movie to every user, a different song etc. Copyright is just not compatible with the digital world, it…

>>people are not going to pay for what they can always get at better quality for $0

This is precisely why I think Apple won't last much long in the mobile/watch battle. Android is like the Windows of the 90's and early 2000's. Available for free, with hardware largely being a commodity, and all Google caring about the traffic and market penetration. Apple will have to growingly fight to push their products into the market which is flooded with cheap android devices offering the same features/capabilities.

In fact this is already happening in India and China.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

I came here to say this, more or less. Maybe when streaming services offer what I want to watch in better than current quality I'll consider stopping. Until then I'll be using Canadian Netflix for 10% of my viewing and other methods for the other 90% that I can't pay for because I happen to not live in the US. Copyright laws are killing the industry.

I'd argue that region based licensing is killing the industry, along with the reluctance for content producers to serve content through Netflix or something comparable.

Netflix just launched in Australia. If it had all the shows I wanted, I'd sign up in a heart beat. But it's still missing a good chunk because of the licensing deals that already exist over here.

I want to support the Netflix model and content producers that support them. I've considered signing up and not using it at all because my combination of usenet/sickbeard/kodi is far superior to anything else available. I pay about $150 a year for that setup, so I'm not adverse to paying.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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I completely agree re: the quality of streaming service apps. The Amazon Prime Video player is a joke. HBO GO is one of the buggiest apps I've ever used on Android. Netflix has gone a long way to improving their service and is probably the most satisfactory of them. Generally speaking, though, the experience of using these apps and the predictability/accessibility of content is not going to outcompete free & easy.

The saddest part is that if they wanted they could adopt a hybrid central seed/P2P model, too, and be able to offer HD content without overwhelming their servers (in fact there more would people watch a certain episode at a given time, the better it would work ).

From elsewhere i have gotten the impression that some central legal figures within the business have some kind of stuck up idea about counting copies.

There was a company trying to offer cloud based DVR service, and found that the only way they could get big media legal approval was to not use deduplication of any kind. This meant that their storage costs skyrocketed.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The described technology is independent of the source of the torrent. This also applies to bittorrent. > The moment Popcorn Time adds Ads, there will be a fork without them. I understand what you mean. You're thinking I'm claiming the ads would go inside the client? If you look up the chain of conversation, I said that the ads would go on the website that hosts the magnets/torrents. We see the same thing with bitto…

> Ad free clients. Ad bannered websites. We should expect the same with popcorn time websites. This is what you're not understanding: There are no "Popcorn Time websites" (except for a source to download the client) Popcorn Time is a combined torrent-client/media player/search engine. You don't have to go to any websites (with ads or otherwise), you can click on nice pretty movie-poster images or search from within t…

I see. I did not get that from the article (it looks like I misunderstood).

Thank you for clarifying further (without more downvote nukes).

It appears that adding ads, so long at there are many competing clients, would be difficult.

I was very wrong.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

There will be less incentive when developers are raided and brought to court for their high crimes against the industry. Why not have the FBI go after the pirates instead of changing the structure of their business? It works well for them when it comes to unlicensed reproductions and hardware that facilitates piracy. If Popcorn time could turn a dime while playing the game legally, and become a threat like Netflix wa…

This is a great strategy. As the dozens of popcorn time forks have shown us it not only does not work, but it is also taking intelligent nonviolent programmers and ruining their lives in prisons around the world. The MPAA and friends couldn't look more evil if they wore a fake mustache and tried twirling it.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

I call bullshit. Absolute bullshit. If I gave you a credit card that gave you unlimited access to digital content you probably wouldn't be complaining. Certainly not if you live in the US or much of Europe. If you have a $69 AppleTV then iTunes is a spectacular user experience. Search for almost anything you want and hit play. If it didn't cost $5 to rent a movie it's superior to torrents. This is where someone chime…

the primary reason to pirate content these days is selfish greed

You're right. But the consumers aren't the greedy party.

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

The Internet broke the whole idea of charging for a digital copy of something. We’re seeing a struggle of powers as old power tries to cling on to the idea of charging people for digital copies but it will end sooner or later. One needs to think outside the box of capitalism being an appropriate system for all aspects of society.

What does that even mean? We have to switch the entire economic paradigm we live in so that people can be paid for their work?

Re: Inside Popcorn Time, the Piracy Party Hollywood Can't Stop

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There would be less incentive toward this kind of piracy if content producers and distributors could get their collective acts together with more liberal licensing. Popcorn Time is winning because it's easier to use and find content than any pay service. Like anything, you compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your competitors are unfair. Of course, they are certainly unfair here, but…

I would take these arguments more seriously if they reflected the actual market. Films are licensed to distributors in different countries on a case-by-case basis and license periods typically run for 10 years. Only the 6 major studios have offices on every continent and even they don't run distribution operations in every single country. compete by making a better product/service -- not by complaining that your comp…

I'll respond to this because I think you're missing the point. I'm saying that the "market makers" have made the "actual market" in a way that is self-defeating when technology no longer favors their historic distribution model. Like you say, the market is hobbled by artificial barriers, like geographic restrictions, that don't really exist on the internet. A significant factor in the inferior experience of streaming services is the content licensing hurdle, which makes the availability of content a moving target. You can complain day and night about the fact that technology no longer fits your business model, but that isn't going to solve the problem.
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