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What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Here's the take-away quotation for me: The better the professors were, as measured by their students' grades in later classes, the lower their ratings from students. "If you make your students do well in their academic career, you get worse evaluations from your students," Pellizzari said. Students, by and large, don't enjoy learning from a taskmaster, even if it does them some good.

The methodology is flawed. If a lecturer really is terrible, then more people will fail that course and not go on to do the advanced course, artificially raising the average for the advanced course because only the best students are able to pass the prerequisite DESPITE the terrible lecturer.

I've had terrible professors who were ridiculously easy, though.

Like one guy I didn't learn a thing from, because he constantly mumbled and wrote in really tiny print on the whiteboard... yet the class before each test, he'd discuss every single test question in detail and tell us the answers.

A friend of mine had him for something else, and at one point after delivering a graded test, he said "if you didn't like your grade, give your test back to me and I'll give you more points". My friend, who got a 95, decided to give it back out of sheer curiosity and got back a 98.

Edit: Hey, I have another story about this dude: another friend of mine had him for a class. This friend is legally blind, so he once asked for more time to take the test since it takes him longer to read everything. A perfectly reasonable request: it's even listed on the form of accomodations offered by the university's Disability Services. Well, when the professor filled out the form, he granted my friend literally every single disability accomodation the university offered. He ended up with dozens of accomodations he didn't even ask for

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The methodology is flawed. If a lecturer really is terrible, then more people will fail that course and not go on to do the advanced course, artificially raising the average for the advanced course because only the best students are able to pass the prerequisite DESPITE the terrible lecturer.

True in theory, but not true in practice. Terrible lecturers find ways to rationalize the poor grades of their students (i.e. externalize the blame) and curve grades to get kids to pass the class. Especially bad lecturers will give the bulk of students high grades to preclude complaints. For their part, poor students could care less about what they learn, instead focusing on passing or getting a good letter grade. In…

Couldn't care less*

<3

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Here's the take-away quotation for me: The better the professors were, as measured by their students' grades in later classes, the lower their ratings from students. "If you make your students do well in their academic career, you get worse evaluations from your students," Pellizzari said. Students, by and large, don't enjoy learning from a taskmaster, even if it does them some good.

Here's a different study with similar findings:

http://www.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/scarrell/profqual2.pdf

"... our results show that student evaluations reward professors who increase achievement in the contemporaneous course being taught, not those who increase deep learning."

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Students rating professors is bad because

1. Professors raise bar sometimes which students find difficult to cope with and result in low feedback

2. Some students try to "hit" professors with low grades since they are not interested in them

3. More work by professors means low grades from students

This is what usually happens in India and I am a professor

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True in theory, but not true in practice. Terrible lecturers find ways to rationalize the poor grades of their students (i.e. externalize the blame) and curve grades to get kids to pass the class. Especially bad lecturers will give the bulk of students high grades to preclude complaints. For their part, poor students could care less about what they learn, instead focusing on passing or getting a good letter grade. In…

Couldn't care less* <3

I believe the term 'could care less' is largely facetious- "I could care less... but it would be extremely difficult," tends to be the implication; don't understand why you found it necessary to correct him.

edit: Added clarification.

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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I attended Deep Springs College, where students literally hire and fire the faculty. It works all right on a very small scale, when the students are committed to learning. Not so well when the students don't like the work that learning requires.

Re: What If Students Could Fire Their Professors?

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By the end of the course they'd only know they've got an exam to pass and they'll hate it. Students should not have any say in anything related to their courses, professors, marking, workload and such.

No say at all? Not even trigger a review? Profs that consistently get poor reviews are getting them for a reason.

For the really egregious cases, students can, and do, go to the department head or the dean. This usually this results in some sort of review.
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