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Amateur Radio in Play in Aftermath of Nepal Earthquake

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Re: Amateur Radio in Play in Aftermath of Nepal Earthquake

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

Can you recommend some good references for introduction to amateur radio?

The Amatur Radio Relay Leage (ARRL) has a page with overview on ham radio and information on how to get licensed[0]. The wikipedia page also provides a nice overview[1]. The ARRL sells books which can help you learn the material for the license exams. You might also see if there's an amateur radio club near you; in my experience they're pretty friendly and interested in helping out aspiring hams.

[0] http://www.arrl.org/licensing-education-training

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio

Re: Amateur Radio in Play in Aftermath of Nepal Earthquake

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

Currently studying to take the test next weekend. There's actually some really great free resources for anyone looking to learn[0][1].

That said though, a couple guys at my work have really gotten into it and have started volunteering at some of the events around the Boston area where I live. There's actually a surprisingly large demand[2] for amateur radio operators at public events like the Boston Marathon and part of the reason I'm getting my license is I think it would be a great way to volunteer at events around here. If you're interested, the survival guide for the Boston Marathon Ham Operators[3] is a pretty good read!

[0] https://hamstudy.org

[1] http://www.kb6nu.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2014-no-nons...

[2] http://www.arrl.org/news/more-than-300-amateur-radio-volunte...

[3] http://www.mmra.org/marc/Boston%20Marathon%20Survival%20Guid...

Re: Amateur Radio in Play in Aftermath of Nepal Earthquake

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

>I don't want to just go out and buy something. Just get a Baofeng something or other so you can start playing around. You won't love it enough to let it be your only radio, and if you do, so what? >... my oscilloscope (unlocked Rigol DS1054Z) only goes up to 100 MHz, so VHF and UHF radios are probably out of my DIY league. I guarantee you that most hams do not have a scope that is anywhere close to your 1054Z. Have…

Another comment on scopes is about 90% of the work I do with a scope is qualitative not quantitative and the spec is usually a quant limit.

So the spec reads something like less than 10% error (usually low) at that freq. So a 10 Hz 10 KHz 10 MHz sine wave at 1 V p-p will display at 1 V p-p on a 20 meg scope. However shove in a 30 MHz 1 V p-p sine wave and (on an analog scope) you'll see a beautiful sine wave at, oh, who knows, maybe only 0.5 V p-p.

I do a lot more quant work with simple watt meters, at least for RF stuff.

A stereotypical example where qualitative accuracy matters not quant is you have a possibly 15 dB amp, and a -25 dB sampler on the input, and a -40 dB sampler at the output and you feed one into the X and one into the Y and shove a varying signal thru the amp and rather optimistically you'll get perfectly smooth lines on the triangle border. The numerical results are irrelevant, whats important is the amp isn't going into compression and what comes out is a perfect linear function of what goes in aka the line is perfectly straight. When you hit compression the end of the line will tilt over and no longer be straight, and thats bad. And your inline watt meter says that happens at 150 watts out or whatever, so I guess you can run cleanly at somewhat less than 150 watts.

Another example is a lot of "is this (four letter words) oscilator oscilating (which would be good) or is this amplifier oscilating (which would be bad)?" and things of that nature where quantative results simple don't matter, you just want to know if there's anything there at all.

Also you can peak up filters and LC networks in general without exact results just a "Turn the screw that way and the sine waves get bigger, turn the other way and output drops" mentality. If you're operating at a couple watts level, then cheap wattmeters will work. Not so much for low power level receiver work, then you use the scope to tune up.

Its a lot easier to use an analog scope at or beyond its limits than a digital scope, but it can be done with digital scopes if you really understand DSP undersampling theory and the sample and hold doesn't aggressively filter higher freqs etc. The reason why pros just dump money to not operate near or above limits while hobbyists can't is a long financial story, my employer can justify a $150K spectrum analyzer in the lab (aka a cheap one) but my wife has issues justifying more than a couple hundred bucks at home. But yeah I prefer the new hyper expensive digital equipment at work and analog at home for that financial reason.

Another fun thing to think about with cheap equipment is I own a 70s/80s era scope but the work I do would only have been cutting edge at a research lab in the 60s, and in the 60s all they had was 60s scopes, so I have it pretty good and could actually allocate my scope money elsewhere. If you want to do 10s (2010s...) work at home its going to be difficult to afford in the 2010s although in the 2030s it might be cheap.

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Can you recommend some good references for introduction to amateur radio?

The Amatur Radio Relay Leage (ARRL) has a page with overview on ham radio and information on how to get licensed[0]. The wikipedia page also provides a nice overview[1]. The ARRL sells books which can help you learn the material for the license exams. You might also see if there's an amateur radio club near you; in my experience they're pretty friendly and interested in helping out aspiring hams. [0] http://www.arrl.…

"in my experience they're pretty friendly and interested in helping out aspiring hams."

Talk to people who have been there about station building experiences. I think the answer you'll get is the best maximization of fun is spending around $1 on antenna system for about every $1 spent on radio gear. Hooking up a $1000 radio to a $50 antenna system is likely to be far less enjoyable and lower performance than hooking up a $50 radio to a $1000 antenna system although its about the same outlay of dough and effort.

Also the old timers are pretty good at planning, having been there, and the best antenna system for a plot of land is not necessarily the most expensive or largest.

The main problem you'll find is technological changes, at the feedpoint auto-tuners hit in a big way maybe 20 years ago so maybe 19 years ago you wouldn't get good advice about them or randomwire antennas in general. (OK now, probably). Maybe 30 years ago it took awhile for hams at that time to "grok" ferrite based baluns. I'm not sure what todays misunderstood hotness would be, probably remotely controlled/tuned antennas like magloops with russian vacuum variable caps or those (expensive) steppir things.

Also its a very big hobby. Someone who thinks they've experienced it all either is extremely old and wealthy or is wrong.

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

>I don't want to just go out and buy something. Just get a Baofeng something or other so you can start playing around. You won't love it enough to let it be your only radio, and if you do, so what? >... my oscilloscope (unlocked Rigol DS1054Z) only goes up to 100 MHz, so VHF and UHF radios are probably out of my DIY league. I guarantee you that most hams do not have a scope that is anywhere close to your 1054Z. Have…

> Just get a Baofeng something

I second that. you can get UV-5R for about $30 bucks. You can really learn a lot from a simple, small radio like that.

Re: Amateur Radio in Play in Aftermath of Nepal Earthquake

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You might enjoy getting started with a kit like the SoftRock SDR: http://fivedash.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1... Personally I think it makes sense to start with a pre-built radio to learn the radio technique and have something to compare with, but with an oscilloscope you can probably hack a kit into doing something useful. (I have the Softrock RX kit. Works well to receive WSPR.) 73, KD2DTW

I have one, but haven't put it together yet.

I have a Lite for 30M and the web guide is Very helpful

http://www.wb5rvz.org/softrock_lite_ii/index?changeBands=no

There are web guides at that site for all the radio models.

It doesn't drift much and is reasonably sensitive enough. To keep ground loop hum out I ended up putting in audio isolation transformers between the radio and the computer, life probably would have been easier with laptop, and audio xfrmers don't work so well at 192KHz so that limits performance.

I've been thinking of buying a 455 KHz Lite model to help align tube radio IF strips. Like a cheap spectrum analyzer. In my infinite spare time LOL.

Life is a lot simpler now with the web frontend store, although the prices are around twice as high as the old yahoo group days. Used to sell the Lite kit in the group for like $9 years ago although batches always sold out in about an hour, which was annoying.

There is probably an interesting startup lesson that saving people 50% purchase price doesn't help if they can't buy it at all, friction in the sales process etc.

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

Congrats!

I got mine (AF7NK) just before the 2015 new year. No HF radio yet. I'm just using an infamous boafeng plus a homemade ground plane antenna in the attic.

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

AG6PO here. I became licenced during my second year at university. It has actually been one of the most important parts of my professional path to this point.

If you haven't yet, buy a basic hand held radio and get transmitting. The Baofengs are actually tolerably good radios and super cheap. Getting on the air is the best way of participating in the community and growing in the hobby/skill.

Then yes, absolutely start homebrewing. I find antennas to be easy and and fun to experiment with. The Rigol's 100 MHz limit won't actually be much of a problem for you. It is plenty enough to analyze all the baseband signals and also the intermediate frequencies used in many radio designs.

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

Recent ham here as well, KE8ATC. For now I'm limited to my handheld but I'm hoping to branch out into some HF gear at Hamvention this year.

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I wonder how many HN readers have amateur radio licenses? I got one last month (AF7PL). Now I'm working on getting a radio. I don't want to just go out and buy something. I want to do this old-school, and so have at least some of the major components of my shack home built (and ideally home designed). I may partially relent, though, and buy a handheld transceiver for 2m/70cm. My electronic construction skills are pre…

W1LZD checking in. Just did my first volunteer comms event this weekend which was really really fun and a great experience. It's a great community to be a part of! 73
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