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Re: The Arch Way

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Post by crdoconnor »

dattl wrote: post #29
raziel2p wrote: post #27

If someone made an Arch installer that automatically set up networking and persisted the setup, as well as partitioning/mounting, I would be on board. The argument I've heard against this is, "but it's simple, it's only like 10 commands to set these up". The problem is, it takes like an hour to read through the entire wiki page (and you need to read it all in case there's an important detail that may screw your syste…

What about Antergos or Manjaro?

"Manjaro forgot to upgrade their SSL certificate, suggest users get around it by changing their system clocks."

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/31yayt/manjaro_forgo...

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by zxcvcxz »

wz1000 wrote: post #19

I use Arch because its the only distro that "Just Works" for me. I like to use the latest version of every software I use, and this is almost impossible on non-rolling-release distros. Installing from source almost always ends up breaking something on distros like Ubuntu. Also, Arch is predictable. There are no weird quirks and distro-specific patches. Almost everything that is on the system is something that you con…

>Installing from source almost always ends up breaking something on distros like Ubuntu.

Example? I've never once "broken" something by installing a program from source.

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by dattl »

crdoconnor wrote: post #31
dattl wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Antergos or Manjaro?

"Manjaro forgot to upgrade their SSL certificate, suggest users get around it by changing their system clocks." https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/31yayt/manjaro_forgo...

Okay, this is nasty.

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by oAlbe »

dattl wrote: post #29
raziel2p wrote: post #27

If someone made an Arch installer that automatically set up networking and persisted the setup, as well as partitioning/mounting, I would be on board. The argument I've heard against this is, "but it's simple, it's only like 10 commands to set these up". The problem is, it takes like an hour to read through the entire wiki page (and you need to read it all in case there's an important detail that may screw your syste…

What about Antergos or Manjaro?

Or Evo/Lution.

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by tormeh »

crdoconnor wrote: post #28

>Unlike other distributions, on Arch you’re not forced to use a specific Window Manager, a Desktop Environment, a File Manager, and so on. Excuse me?

It's like the people complaining about Unity, not realizing that all the major WMs, DEs and FMs are a single apt-get command away...

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by lake99 »

raziel2p wrote: post #27

If someone made an Arch installer that automatically set up networking and persisted the setup, as well as partitioning/mounting, I would be on board. The argument I've heard against this is, "but it's simple, it's only like 10 commands to set these up". The problem is, it takes like an hour to read through the entire wiki page (and you need to read it all in case there's an important detail that may screw your syste…

> If someone made an Arch installer that automatically set up networking and persisted the setup, as well as partitioning/mounting, I would be on board.

Netctl gets bundled in the install images because it is small. But after you have finished your installation, you can abandon it. No distro that I have come across handles partitioning and mounting automatically. I have come across a few that offer to wipe the entire disk and install themselves the way the distros prefer.

> it takes like an hour to read through the entire wiki page

I have installed Arch a few times on my machines, and I can't remember all those steps. The idea is to print it out (or open it on another screen) and follow it step-by-step. Arch is meant for people who are willing to do a lot more than execute some 10 commands to set up partitions and networking. After the initial effort, it is the least painful distro that I have used.

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

nextos wrote: post #10

I think the Arch Way really shines if you stick to small applications that do one thing and do it well. This is the essence of Unix. There are periodic surveys among Arch users, and it's pretty interesting to see a majority of them sticks to this ethos: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_LisP8224B2yahtZTYB-pnIt0aP... Such a choice would be considered hardcore in some more mainstream distros. I began transitioning to t…

Why emacs and then vimperator? And why not pentadactyl?

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by yuvadam »

raziel2p wrote: post #27

If someone made an Arch installer that automatically set up networking and persisted the setup, as well as partitioning/mounting, I would be on board. The argument I've heard against this is, "but it's simple, it's only like 10 commands to set these up". The problem is, it takes like an hour to read through the entire wiki page (and you need to read it all in case there's an important detail that may screw your syste…

You're asking for something Arch will never provide. Having a "next > next > next" installer defeats the entire purpose of Arch.

I once shared the exact same wish, and I never truly adopted Arch until I installed it 3-4 times on one of my secondary computers. It is only by taking that path and practicing that I truly learned to appreciate what it is that Arch gives.

I'm sure you'll have that experience too, some day.

Re: The Arch Way

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

zanny wrote: post #21
deelowe wrote: post #8

I'm not a huge fan of recommending yaourt. Users should really learn more about the AUR before just letting yaourt automate it all. I recommend cower until you get the hang of things (or maybe just use cower full time). Cower automates only the downloads and updates without completely abstracting everything away with regards to the build and install process.

Unless you use Antergos you need to at least manually build yaourt and its AUR dependencies once. also, you can imitate yaourt with literally wget makepkg pacman -U . There isn't a lot of secret sauce to take out of your life by automating those steps after you do it once or twice.

One word: dependencies. Of AUR packages on other AUR packages, in an unbalanced tree three-four levels deep. That's why most people use AUR helpers.
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