For anyone using a Debian derivative/repackage, that "systemd" thing everyone was moaning about? It has just happened. Interesting times.
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Today is Debian 8 release day
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Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#72How safe is a dist-upgrade from 7.8 to 8?
I'd wait a month or two for edge cases to be worked out and then go for it.
If you have a fairly vanilla 7.8 system (i.e. no source compiled stuff on there, mainly just big name packages etc.) then you should be fine doing it now or in a few days.
We updated some simple 7.8 installs to the rc jessie release a month or so ago and everything went fine apart from an obscure bug with monit and inherited umasks. Got around that by manually installing the sid deb of monit.
Edit: the main thing you'll want to do is go read up on systemd ahead of upgrading as it's quite a change and there are still some wrinkles ('systemctl daemon-reload' is a new command we've had to use quite a bit).
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also wonder the reason for that. As a speculation from an outsider, I'll list these reasons: Release team was very motivated in this cycle (auto removal of packages, not letting any new package in freeze, very strict exceptions even for packages that fix bugs etc.), most of current rc bugs are lurking there for months without any progress (and since Debian is all volunteer work, they can't force anybody to fix 'em)…
Has there been a significant loss of Debian senior development resources to the https://devuan.org fork, as a result of the systemd debates?
I don't follow Devuan development so I'm not sure but AFAIK no senior developer went to Devuan.
There has been loss of senior development resources because of the systemd and related discussions, though (some quit, some lost motivation etc.)
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#74As an AWS user, I switched from Amazon Linux to Ubuntu 14.04 because it's easy to replicate the development environment. No performance/stability issues so far however I'm curious if Debian 8 has an edge over Ubuntu 14.04 for a medium sized website on AWS. My only gripe with Ubuntu is that apt-get doesn't have the latest stables packages (like Amazon Linux does). I'm guessing it would be the same with Debian.
Debian does tend to run behind and prefer more stable and "mature" releases so I doubt you'll find what you're looking for with 8.
On the other hand, sid/unstable tends to have the latest releases of upstream software (golang, docker, redis? ... I can't think of any great examples), but I've found that Ubuntu's packaged versions of upstream software often lags behind by quite a distance, even in the latest branch (eg. in next, unreleased, say 15.10 tree).
I can't say why that is, but I've seen it on multiple occasions. Usually you can resolve this in Ubuntu with a PPA.
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#75Help testing the final images:
https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder why, following their new "openness" motto, Microsoft is still not: 1) porting Visual Studio to Linux. 2) porting Office to Linux, or 3) contributing to Wine, with the goal of solving long-standing issues with their (above) software - but hey they could contribute in other areas too, since Wine is far from complete (a USB driver/stack is much needed IMHO). I won't believe in Microsoft "openness" until I see o…
For 1 and 2, probably because there's very little money in it and it would require an immense amount of effort.
Indeed. And why would a somebody who makes their own operating system and has great tools for it be worried about tooling on other systems? The whole point of them having their own OS is to make money from it or to have the ecosystem they want. This helps with neither of those.
It would probably be easier to make a stripped-down, open-source version of Windows. Then they probably wouldn't have to port anything.
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Debian does tend to run behind and prefer more stable and "mature" releases so I doubt you'll find what you're looking for with 8.
On the other hand, sid/unstable tends to have the latest releases of upstream software (golang, docker, redis? ... I can't think of any great examples), but I've found that Ubuntu's packaged versions of upstream software often lags behind by quite a distance, even in the latest branch (eg. in next, unreleased, say 15.10 tree). I can't say why that is, but I've seen it on multiple occasions. Usually you can resolve th…
> I can't say why that is, but I've seen it on multiple occasions.
Because Ubuntu releases are, well, releases. Early in the release cycle, they sync from Debian, they package their own things, then freeze the versions and release. They don't change versions of most packages in released! releases.
Debian unstable on the other hand, has no concept of a release, so maintainers upload new versions of packages into unstable pretty much all the time (except freeze time).
So what you've seen is actually the norm, not exception.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
DVD makes sense if you have a dvd player (!) and not a good internet connection. Netinstall are pretty reliable now.
Ok, good, Thanks! So i basically won't be missing any important and hip packages? :D
They're different mediums, but they install the same Operating System. The packages available do not change based on the medium used.
Re: Today is Debian 8 release day
#79dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/201…
Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd. Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.
People who dislike systemd can take a look at http://without-systemd.org.
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It's hard to blame RH for that. Last time I checked, 2.5 was just released a few months before the first release of RHEL 5. Now they have software collections ( https://www.softwarecollections.org ) as a workaround, providing optional newer components.
> Last time I checked, 2.5 was just released a few months before the first release of RHEL 5 "Few months" being almost 6 months (Python 2.5 was released on September 19th 2006[1], Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 (Tikanga), 14 March 2007[2]) [1] https://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#RHEL_5
I'm not sure if you're implying that 6 months is too long or just providing more info. I don't think it is too long given that most distributions have stabilization periods where no new versions will be accepted e.g. Debian 8 was frozen on November 5 last year.