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Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by marcosdumay »

bemused wrote: post #7

dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/201…

Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd.

Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by viccuad »

bemused wrote: post #7

dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/201…

Don't forget that the "Stable" definition for Debian is not the normal one, they are super zelous. Testing and Sid distributions are "stable" for the rest of distros. And remember that all those bugs on the Debian release are present in other distros, and they even don't acknowledge them sometimes.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by kasabali »

Silhouette wrote: post #39
kasabali wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian upgrades are pretty reliable (IMHO best among linux distros) but I can't guarantee you won't have problems in your particular setup :)

Counterpoint: Upgrading from 6 to 7, every single machine I use, from a home server to various professionally managed machines at work, had at least one serious problem. RAID and bootloaders raised a few issues for example. We got everything working eventually, but the amount of wasted time even with very experienced sysadmins looking after some of those machines was silly. Debian is generally very good with stabilit…

Best strategy is having a backup image and testing the upgrade procedure on a test machine beforehand, if possible. This release may be especially problematic because of the systemd change (it is possible to boot with sysvinit in Grub menu, but remote upgraders should beware).

Did your last upgrade issues stem from the upgrade procedure or were they because of new versions?

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by chimeracoder »

marcosdumay wrote: post #41
bemused wrote: post #7

dont wont to criticize any of the great & mainly voluntary work of the debian folks, but not quite sure how to interpret these statistics [1] looks like jessie is going to be the first debian stable to be released with rc-critical issues and not "when it's done" some of the bugs referred [2] seem quite critical indeed, maybe someone with more insight could comment on this? [1] http://richardhartmann.de/blog/posts/201…

Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd. Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.

> Took a quick look at some of the bugs that would affect me... It's systemd, systemd and systemd.

> Oh, yeah, that's Debian's systemd release.

These are the bugs that are relevant when talking about the Jessie release: https://udd.debian.org/bugs/?release=jessie_not_sid&merged=i...

None of them are filed against systemd. I've been watching this page daily for the last month, and I only remember one systemd-related bug being filed in that time (there was one longstanding one from March affecting a rather obscure use case that sat there for a while as well, but was fixed).

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by lmz »

digitalzombie wrote: post #38
xyby wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Debian 8 has support until 2017 Wow, really? That's nothing! No security updates after that? > Ubuntu 1404 LTS has support until 2019 That sounds more reasonable. But still a bit short. > RHEL 7 has support until 2024 (and Centos). Interesting. Now I understand why I hear "centos" so often lately. So far, I only know Debian based distros. I wonder how much work it would be to switch to one of these two.

There was an article complaining on how RHEL support a flavor of python that is very old but it doesn't work with any other popular python libraries. (update: RHEL 5 and below is stuck with Python 2.4 apparently) Long term support is great and all but Red Hat can only support so much, the libraries and any other ecosystem that is part of that software or programming language will be dropped by group that are responsi…

It's hard to blame RH for that. Last time I checked, 2.5 was just released a few months before the first release of RHEL 5. Now they have software collections (https://www.softwarecollections.org) as a workaround, providing optional newer components.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by pas »

butwhy wrote: post #11

How safe is a dist-upgrade from 7.8 to 8?

Well, if you only have one 7.8 lying around, then fire up a VM, replicate your setup (best is to stop the machine tar-gz the whole, unpack it in the VM, boot from a rescue disc, isntall grub[2]; but if you don't want to go that bullett proof, then just copy sources.list [+ .d], install the same packages, copy /etc, reboot a few times) and try the upgrade.

We've a lot of 7.x instances (bare metal and VMs both) and a few running jessie for about 2 months. The upgrade was flawless. systemd had quirks, but that faded too.

All in all, go ahead, it's yet again a nice little step forward.

Re: Today is Debian 8 release day

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Post by Sammi »

aruggirello wrote: post #40
viyyer wrote: post #23

Just on the side note. This was announced on microsoft website about them celebrating about Debian release. http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debi...

I wonder why, following their new "openness" motto, Microsoft is still not: 1) porting Visual Studio to Linux. 2) porting Office to Linux, or 3) contributing to Wine, with the goal of solving long-standing issues with their (above) software - but hey they could contribute in other areas too, since Wine is far from complete (a USB driver/stack is much needed IMHO). I won't believe in Microsoft "openness" until I see o…

MS is only open in so far that it aligns with their business plans. They have a long term plan for Azure and need more .Net developers for it. Hence making .Net more attractive by opening it up. Does not mean they will open up other things.
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