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Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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I did electrical engineering at UVic (University of Victoria), which uses the same schedule as Waterloo. (As it happens, I actually went on to do a Master's at Waterloo, so although I didn't do co-op there, I'm familiar with their program as well.)

For me, co-op was an unequivocally positive experience. For one thing, as the OP says, school is stressful. More stressful than all but the worst full-time jobs. With a co-op program, you're only in school for four months at a time rather than eight, which really helps; it's a (relatively) short burst of intense focus, rather than a near-year-long slog. Yes you're moving every four months, but the trick there is just to not have too much stuff! For a four month visit somewhere, all you really need are some clothes (generally for only one season, so not your entire wardrobe) and toiletries, a laptop, and maybe a few odds and ends - chess board, deck of cards, whatever, and your phone. That's about it, really. You rent rooms in furnished houses, and just hold off on collecting too much "stuff" until you graduate. (Of course, you still do need somewhere to leave the stuff you don't cart around with you. Parents are generally willing to hold onto it, but if not, a storage unit would suffice.) I've done several work terms with only what I could fit in my suitcase.

I've also found co-op terms to be a fantastic opportunity to meet new people. Ideally there are other co-op students working at the same company - people who are in the same situation as you, transplanted into a new city, looking for new friends. Even if not, there are often meetups for co-op students and that sort of thing where you can meet others from other companies. Especially in cities like Seattle and San Francisco! And sure you don't get paid vacation days, but... I don't know about you, but at least for me, coming from a term of engineering, even having weekends off without a mountain of homework to tackle was like paradise. It was absolutely a break. (And it's not like you wouldn't be working on your off terms without co-op! You'd just be doing it at Burger King or something.)

I was certainly lucky in some ways. My parents lived in Victoria, so I had a convenient place to leave my stuff when I left for work terms. And most of the companies I worked at had large groups of co-op students, so I generally had a good group of people to spend time with. But I think with the right outlook, putting in some effort, it would be possible to have a similarly good experience without those advantages. And then of course, there's this:

> The breadth and depth of the experiences, both academic and life, that I’ve had on co-op would never have happened if I was in a regular program.

Nothing compares to trying a new job in a new city every other four months. You're not necessarily knowledgeable enough through most of your degree (at least in hardware, as I was) to get a lot of technical experience from most work terms - although of course you get some - but what you get a ton of is experience with different types of companies and working environments. It really helped me to figure out what kind of company I wanted to work for, and eventually what kind of company I wanted to run.

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

#52
Having done co-op myself, one thing most students don't seriously consider is taking extra time to get your degree - also doable for international students like I was.

Don't take a full course load if you feel overloaded and stressed, especially in the upper years. In my case, I used the extra time on multiple side projects and sports, and lived with my SO and cat. My upper years at university were fantastic.

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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post #52

Having done co-op myself, one thing most students don't seriously consider is taking extra time to get your degree - also doable for international students like I was. Don't take a full course load if you feel overloaded and stressed, especially in the upper years. In my case, I used the extra time on multiple side projects and sports, and lived with my SO and cat. My upper years at university were fantastic.

If you're in engineering at Waterloo, you don't have a choice about course load - you must have a full course load at all times.

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

#54
The most stressful part is preparing for anywhere from 10-20 technical interviews during midterms. There is nothing worst than knowing you have to balance your University degree with future Job prospects. I'm glad I had to go through it because there is no way I would be ready for it in the real world otherwise. Technical interviews are tough and all of the best companies do them. The rewards however, are a blessing indeed:

http://betabeat.com/2014/11/heres-what-tech-companies-pay-th...

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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I did electrical engineering at UVic (University of Victoria), which uses the same schedule as Waterloo. (As it happens, I actually went on to do a Master's at Waterloo, so although I didn't do co-op there, I'm familiar with their program as well.) For me, co-op was an unequivocally positive experience. For one thing, as the OP says, school is stressful. More stressful than all but the worst full-time jobs. With a co…

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Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

#56

I did electrical engineering at UVic (University of Victoria), which uses the same schedule as Waterloo. (As it happens, I actually went on to do a Master's at Waterloo, so although I didn't do co-op there, I'm familiar with their program as well.) For me, co-op was an unequivocally positive experience. For one thing, as the OP says, school is stressful. More stressful than all but the worst full-time jobs. With a co…

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Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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I did software coop at UBC, and I can say without a doubt that the coop model is purely an invention of a highly conservative business culture. For those with the skills and the desire, I say skip it. The loss of community with the rest of your class is huge, and the extra time is not worth the money compared to a real post-graduation career. Additionally, most post-college hiring here in the Bay Area, and elsewhere,…

I don't understand the parallel with UBC? At Waterloo almost everyone is on co-op. It is even mandatory for people in engineering.

I am renting a house this summer with 4 friends, we aren't working at the same companies but that's still super exciting.

I don't feel like co-op has ostracized me from the rest of the student body at all (quite the opposite actually).

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

#59

Co-op was a weirdly disorienting time for a lot of reasons, but I've done hundreds of interviews at PagerDuty, and UW co-ops are a lot better for it. I strongly prefer to hire them (Hiring! SF! Toronto! Yay! http://l.euri.ca/1Htzmav ). Working at 3+ places for 4-8 months isn't a perfect substitute for years of experience, but it's a huge improvement over school projects.

Slightly off-topic but PagerDuty is one of the company that make us very proud to be Waterloo students (alongside with Thalmic, Pebble etc...). Keep rockin' and thank you! :)

Re: Waterloo Co-op: A Blessing and a Curse

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I did Waterloo engineering co-op as well and yes, it is a bit hectic, but at that age you can handle it. I wouldn't have traded it for anything. I had interesting jobs in a number of different countries. I invested my interest-free student loan in energy mutual funds which turned into a goldmine at that time and combined with my salary I finished university with lots of experience, no debt and a ton of money in my ba…

As a UofT grad, I am envious of the co-op experience that you guys have. I had to carve out my own opportunities, which in itself taught me about paving my own path. Nonetheless, definitely a great university and a great program to help students build a solid foundation.

It was similarly hectic trying to arrange for my own co-op opportunities but correct me if I'm wrong, I felt it was only hectic because I had never gone through something like that before. Once we've all been through it, looking back, it doesn't seem so bad after all. What do you think?

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