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Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Just because the same IP address also listens on port 443 doesn't mean that delivers the same website, and assuming it does is not a failure on their part, it's a failure of assumptions you or some software you utilize (knowingly or not) has made along the way.

Indeed it doesn't. So why are they returning status code 200? > not a failure on their part, it's a failure of assumptions you or some software you utilize No, it is a failure on their part. They're returning the wrong status code. The software I utilize checks that, they got it wrong. Return 404 instead.

You misunderstand the situation. It's entirely valid to serve one site on port 80 and another on port 443. Consider this scenario:

A webserver listening on a specific IP on port 80 and serving HTTP traffic, but using name based virtual hosting (reading the Host: header) to determine what site to deliver. We'll say it's configured for emample1.com and example2.com.

The same webserver (or a different one, it doesn't matter) listening on that same IP, but port 443, and serving HTTPS traffic. Without use of some newer SSL/TLS/HTTPS protocol features (which aren't universally supported), the certificate needs to be served before any regular HTTP traffic is sent across the encrypted tunnel. Which cert do you serve?

You can argue that it's probably good practice to not have named based virtual sites on the same IP as SSL sites, or that if you access the SSL site with the wrong hostname it should respond in error, and I think you would be correct.

But agreeing on best practices doesn't mean the site is set up wrong, just that it could be set up in a more robust way. It my be set up in a perfectly valid configuration.

It's wrong to assume when you can access a site on port 80 that if that same IP address responds to port 443 that it should serve the same site.

> The software I utilize checks that, they got it wrong. Return 404 instead.

The software you use should be checking that the cert served matches the site requested, and not try to upgrade the connection to HTTPS if it doesn't.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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You are mistaking monopoly for anti-competitive behavior. It's possible to exhibit anti-competitive behavior without being a monopoly.

Uuuh, yeah... ompanies are competing for the same clients, of course they would exhibit anti-competitive behavior. This is problem only if said company has market dominance, because then the anti-competitive measures affect all the market. Guys, do you dream of unicorns and fart rainbows all day? WTF?

The original statement was "Apple's anti competitive behavior puts Microsoft of the 90s to shame." It was specifically about the behavior or apple, not the result on the market. If you want to make an argument that Apples anticompetitive behavior is not as bad as Microsoft's behavior in the 90's, feel free, but whether either of them have or had a monopoly is irrelevant when comparing behavior.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Chrome on iPhone is forced to use Apple's rendering engine, not Google's. In particular, it can't implement any HTML/CSS/JS features that Safari on iPhone doesn't implement. Apple benefits partially in terms of disallowing possibly-unsafe code (JS interpreters, for example) that they themselves did not author. But also from locking out competing browsers so their hardware is harder to commoditize... In terms of stifl…

This is true but doesn't address the question. How is this stifling competition?

The question was for an example of Apple preventing "a break-out technology" from existing on its platform.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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I find it frustrating that this is both the thread with the most upvotes since "The sad state of sysadmin in the age of containers", and the most active thread, and yet it's not even on the front page. (#43 for me)

HN seems to be a bit overzealous in penalizing the numbers of comments. If that's the reason for it being so far down. But regardless of the reason I've largely switched to /active as my default page. Far more interesting content, at least to me.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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> It's about market share and global impact There's not some kind of, "the impact has to be as large as when company X did it" rule. Apple now has enough market share, especially in mobile, that the global impact is troubling.

> Apple now has enough market share, especially in mobile Not really. Depending on the country, the iPhone has between 10 and 20% market share and they are shrinking month after month. Android is on its way to becoming a monopoly, for sure.

This story isn't about the "mobile smartphone" market - it is about Apple abusing their control of those phones to restrict the "iOS Apps" market.

These are separate markets. Customers that want to buy software for their Apple-branded general purpose computers cannot buy Android apps, so there is no overlap between the markets. Software developers may choose to participate in both, but that means the have to create two separate products.

What matters is is if the customer can switch their business, and not the size of the respective markets which is what those iPhone market share numbers indicate.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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It's a bit tricky. I agree with most comments here that Apple is in the right to control what appear in the description and metadata. Not just from a competitive standpoint but in a way to make the it better for the user experience. That being said, in the Pebble case, I think it makes the user experience worst for the user. I.e. if I have a pebble watch and am looking for an iphone app that play well with it, I'd wa…

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I really hope those were typos, because if this is a deliberate attempt by Apple to silence competition in the marketplace it manages, then this is almost certainly unethical from a business standpoint.

It would be equivalent to Amazon banning Roku or Apple TV or Chromecast sales right after announcing the Fire TV.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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post #338

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Monopoly is a smokescreen word. Antitrust is not about monopoly, it is about abuse of market position. If your company has 10% of the market, and the rest has 1% each, you can still be slapped for antitrust if you start using that position as leverage in a different market. ianal, btw...

What are examples of companies being penalized for antitrust while not being a monopoly (or part of an oligopoly)?

Well, there's Microsoft, which has been penalized on various occasions in the States and the EU despite not actually being a monopoly (there were plenty of other operating system vendors out there, Apple among them).

And then you have Google, which has been taking quite a bit of flak from Europe lately.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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What, now we're supposed to give a pass to people and companies that behave horribly and/or illegally just because they have a better product?

"Better" being debatable, of course.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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"I got tired of that 2 years ago and switched to android, haven't looked back since." And you just made my decision easier.

Meh. Android has come a long way, the Google flavor of it is the most well thought out and put together experience... But all in all, the experience sucks compared to iOS coupled with an iPhone. There are a lot of neat little widgets and gestures that come with Android, but the phones aren't as good. The software is no where near as good. I made the switch, I came crawling back to iOS.

The iOS experience - no matter how "polished" it may look - still ranks way farther than even some absurdity like MS-DOS-on-a-phone for as long as Apple continues to pull these sorts of shenanigans while not providing for any way to sideload an app (and no, jailbreaking doesn't count, especially when Apple actively fights against it).

Of course, that's just, like, my opinion, man, but having used both, the marginal (if any) advantages of the iOS ecosystem come nowhere near balancing out the massive downsides, for me at least.

To each his/her own.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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A good reminder of what it would be like if we lived in a world where there is no Android and iOS is a monopoly. Apple's anti competitive behavior puts Microsoft of the 90s to shame.

Apple always closely controlled what hardware can be used with their software, even in the 90s... which is why I never purchased it. Always been the opposite of Microsoft in that regard.

Right, but until iOS came about, they didn't really go the other way and control what software can be used with their hardware.

That's the underlying problem here. Unlike with their desktop products, Apple's mobile products have only one possible source of software (unless you break the phone's security and install Cydia); as long as that continues to be the case, the sort of shafting like what this topic is about will continue to happen without government intervention.

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