Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by gambiter » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:52 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #263

gambiter wrote: post #227

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I totally agree with this analogy. All of the hate in these threads is just... weird. Maybe it's because people relate better to the developers who are losing money, than the company who is controlling it. My bet is someone with a basic understanding of business and marketing would side with Apple, and everyone else would side with the little guy, even if the little guy isn't in the right.

I honestly don't understand why you'd defend Apple as an iPhone user - that actively harms you as a customer O.o

I'm not defending Apple, per se, I'm defending logic and reason.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:52 PM UTC

izacus wrote: post #263

gambiter wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I totally agree with this analogy. All of the hate in these threads is just... weird. Maybe it's because people relate better to the developers who are losing money, than the company who is controlling it. My bet is someone with a basic understanding of business and marketing would side with Apple, and everyone else would side with the little guy, even if the little guy isn't in the right.

I honestly don't understand why you'd defend Apple as an iPhone user - that actively harms you as a customer O.o

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Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by bzbarsky » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:52 PM UTC

CHY872 wrote: post #275

bzbarsky wrote: post #260

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> When has Apple hindered a break-through technology? Contemporary example: it's impossible (as in, disallowed by Apple's policies) to install a web browser with a rendering engine written in a memory-safe language on your iDevice.

I'm not super concerned about that. In particular, no such browser exists, so it's largely a semantic argument. Furthermore, there are inherent security risks; so it's easier to just lock it down until there is actually a problem. The bigger problem is that you can't implement a JIT on iOS, because you can't take a writeable page and make it executable. This is a clear security positive for iOS, but does preclude wri…

> In particular, no such browser exists

Such a rendering engine does exist (Servo), and one can build a browser around it (and that will in fact happen). Just not on iDevices.

> The bigger problem is that you can't implement a JIT on iOS

You're not allowed to implement an interpreter either, if the code that you're interpreting is downloaded from the internet.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by kbenson » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:53 PM UTC

philip1209 wrote: post #278

I'm getting an SSL certificate error - the site is presenting a cert for *.vanillaforums.com.

The link provided is not HTTPS. Perhaps you have an extension that tries to automatically upgrade your connection to HTTPS?

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by kbenson » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:56 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #15

This forum appears to have an invalid certificate: Domain: forums.getpebble.com CN = *.vanillaforums.com If you use HTTPS Everywhere, you'll want to uncheck this specific site, remove the HTTPS part of the URL and reload. PS - I love HTTPS Everywhere but it always surprises me just how many sites have broken HTTPS implementations.

Just because the same IP address also listens on port 443 doesn't mean that delivers the same website, and assuming it does is not a failure on their part, it's a failure of assumptions you or some software you utilize (knowingly or not) has made along the way.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by blumkvist » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 5:57 PM UTC

bzbarsky wrote: post #260

blumkvist wrote: post #248

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I don't know what rules you're talking about here. The OP says that Apple has worse practices than MSFT. I say that's not true. Denying computing technology on which business, governments, factories, powerplants, etc. run is FAR worse than denying (objectively) useless apps. When has Apple hindered a break-through technology? PS: I'm a massive fan of Microsoft marketing and strategy and have owned a grand total of 1…

> When has Apple hindered a break-through technology? Contemporary example: it's impossible (as in, disallowed by Apple's policies) to install a web browser with a rendering engine written in a memory-safe language on your iDevice.

How does this benefit them?

I'm genuinely interested. I'm not a developer and don't know what that means. It sounds bad, but how does it stifle competition? Is Safari gaining an advantage? I used Chrome on my iphone4 and was pretty happy with it.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by s73v3r » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

ommunist wrote: post #101

Gooood case for a brave lawyer to make himself a name. He can try prohibit sales of all Apple products in the EU on the basis of the current anti-monopoly EC legislation using this as a case.

If that was a possibility, they would have tried it on the many other things they don't let you mention, like Android compatibility, Chromecast support, etc.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by kbenson » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 6:01 PM UTC

blumkvist wrote: post #195

random28345 wrote: post #181

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> Nowhere near... You're right, Apple is significantly worse. Microsoft went out of it's way to make sure that competitors applications didn't work (DOS isn't done until Lotus 123 won't run). This sparked a development arms race wasting hundreds of hours of development time working around intentional compatibility bugs. On the other hand, Apple sometimes just doesn't let your software run at all. No matter what. Beca…

It's about market share and global impact. It might sound like double standard to you, but denying your awesome new airbnb for dogs app is not quite the same as denying Java.

You are mistaking monopoly for anti-competitive behavior. It's possible to exhibit anti-competitive behavior without being a monopoly.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by s73v3r » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 6:03 PM UTC

hurricaneSlider wrote: post #66

k-mcgrady wrote: post #32

Total BS title. They are rejecting apps that mention other products in the metadata. If you submit an app that says 'also available on Android' the same thing will happen and it has been enforced for years. The rejection was very clear.

That is a very different situation. The app in question has pebble integration . It is not simply saying that SeaNav also has a pebble app, it is saying that one of SeaNav's features is that it can communicate with an Apple Phone.

It's not a different situation at all.

Re: Apple now rejecting apps with Pebble Smartwatch support

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Post by krschultz » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 6:04 PM UTC

cududa wrote: post #214

LordKano wrote: post #155

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This is the kind of behavior that gets a company in trouble with the FTC. Indeed but Apple is aware that the FTC isn't likely to punish them enough that the behavior will be a net negative. If only the Federal Government would be as serious about "Sending a message" on antitrust as they are about low-mid level drug dealers, this kind of thing would be a lot more rare.

But Apple doesn't have anywhere near a monopoly on smart phones, so being anti-competitive is completely legal

If you define the market as smart phones. If you define the market as smart watches, Apple could well be dominant in 6 months and this behavior would not be OK.