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Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by atjamielittle »

higherpurpose wrote: post #5
colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

Would you say that they are prone to hacking solely because they are written in PHP? Is secure PHP impossible?

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by apertoire »

higherpurpose wrote: post #5
colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

There's already http://gohugo.io/, along with a starter project described in both these places: https://medium.com/@juanbrodriguez/hugulp-a-hugo-gulp-toolch... http://jbrodriguez.io/mobile-friendly-website-2/

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by shocks »

hkarthik wrote: post #9

I'm surprised he chose to use Martini for the web component since the author himself has chosen to discontinue development of Martini in favor of a different approach with Negroni. These days most people I know that use anything outside of the Golang stdlib seem to reach for Gin.

I was also surprised. Here is the relevant article:

http://codegangsta.io/blog/2014/05/19/my-thoughts-on-martini...

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by tptacek »

I've had nothing but bad experiences trying to do things I'd ordinarily do in Rails in Golang instead (and I really like Golang). Writing "Rails apps" in Golang feels a like like writing them in Sinatra used to feel: good at first, but halfway through you realize you're just wasting time reimplementing a buggier version of half of Rails.

On the other hand, I've had very good experiences factoring subsets of Rails apps out into trivial HTTP/JSON services, and frontending them with Rails. That's how Microcorruption.com works, for instance.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by vec »

higherpurpose wrote: post #5
colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

I don't think you're going to see a serious competitor to Wordpress in anything but PHP for a long time. The core target audience for a CMS is content creators and designers without strong compsci backgrounds. The things that make it hackable (trivial to modify in-place, extremely forgiving of type errors, no internal sandboxing, etc.) are the very things that make it attractive to non-developers.

Nothing is going to dethrone Wordpress unless it's at least as easy to cargo cult, and anything that does will more or less by definition annoy experienced developers more than what it replaced.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by jweir »

I like Go, and I am replacing aspects of Rails apps with Go, but for a lot of web app uses, Rails is really, really good.

Hashicorp, who has a very high Go competence, migrated away from Go to Rails for their web service.

http://blog.gopheracademy.com/advent-2014/atlas/

> Once we decided to evaluate other technologies for our web service, we had a few choices. Based on having Rails experience and the maturity of that tooling we saw it as the most pragmatic option. As we began our initial port, we realized that over two weeks worth of work in Go had been replaced in just a few hours in Rails. We were sold.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by BringTheTanks »

Odd. RoR and Go address entirely different app domains.

The only thing that connects them is that RoR was trendy yesterday, and Go is trendy today.

If this is the rationale for replacement, the author will be writing plenty of "replacing" articles in the years forward.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by melvinmt »

higherpurpose wrote: post #5
colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

Question to Matt Mullenweb, co-founder of WordPress and Automattic: If you could instantly rewrite WordPress in any programming language, which would it be?

Answer: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jg781/i_am_matt_mulle...

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by navd »

alexrbarlow wrote: post #6
navd wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just don't see a monolithic web framework being high up on the list of "must haves". And I think that's what makes Go so welcome to many people. In fact, I'm tired of frameworks that do everything for me because they tend to do everything just "well enough". And I noticed the OP is using Martini - which isn't necessarily bad - but it's not needed. It does make learning a language like Go a lot easier for newcomer…

I totally agree and yeah, I used Martini to make it a little easier to read

Understood, the community really needs more idiomatic examples for building web apps. Someone should take this up.
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