Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by zgryw » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:19 PM UTC

Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go
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Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by colbyh » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:33 PM UTC

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project.

I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language.

Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes for concurrency and other issues that simply aren't considerations in the Ruby world.

The two languages are worlds apart and designed to solve vastly different problems. I support new tools for Go, but I just don't see a monolithic web framework being high up on the list of "must haves".

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by Freaky » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:37 PM UTC

So what's around that has a chance of replacing Wordpress? Java!

Sigh.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by navd » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:39 PM UTC

colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

> I just don't see a monolithic web framework being high up on the list of "must haves".

And I think that's what makes Go so welcome to many people. In fact, I'm tired of frameworks that do everything for me because they tend to do everything just "well enough".

And I noticed the OP is using Martini - which isn't necessarily bad - but it's not needed. It does make learning a language like Go a lot easier for newcomers though... I do think this sheds some wrong light on how people should be using Go. Martini isn't the answer, you should be using interfaces to make your code easier to work with, especially since they are implemented in Go so well.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by higherpurpose » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:42 PM UTC

colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by alexrbarlow » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:51 PM UTC

navd wrote: post #4

colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

> I just don't see a monolithic web framework being high up on the list of "must haves". And I think that's what makes Go so welcome to many people. In fact, I'm tired of frameworks that do everything for me because they tend to do everything just "well enough". And I noticed the OP is using Martini - which isn't necessarily bad - but it's not needed. It does make learning a language like Go a lot easier for newcomer…

I totally agree and yeah, I used Martini to make it a little easier to read

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by Omnipresent » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:53 PM UTC

Freaky wrote: post #3

So what's around that has a chance of replacing Wordpress? Java! Sigh.

Working with CQ5 gives me the chills.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by deedubaya » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:53 PM UTC

There is a tool for every job, and not every tool is a hammer.

"Framework XYZ can't do ABC, I'm switching" never holds any water.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by hkarthik » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:57 PM UTC

I'm surprised he chose to use Martini for the web component since the author himself has chosen to discontinue development of Martini in favor of a different approach with Negroni.

These days most people I know that use anything outside of the Golang stdlib seem to reach for Gin.

Re: Replacing Ruby on Rails: Let's Go

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Post by arxpoetica » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 4:57 PM UTC

higherpurpose wrote: post #5

colbyh wrote: post #2

I like Ruby/Rails, I like Go. I like frameworks that make your life easier when starting a new project. I don't think Go is anywhere near the list of languages to build a Rails successor on top of. Rails can do so much of the cool stuff it does because Ruby is an incredibly flexible language. Go, on the other hand, could be described as "inflexible as a feature". You have a beautifully simple language that optimizes…

I for one would like to see a serious Go-based alternative to Wordpress. Virtually every major CMS out there uses PHP, and all of them are highly prone to hacking.

I've had the same thought, but using Node (which is more accessible to a wider group of people). Part of the (sad) state of affairs that made WordPress so popular was accessibility to the code. Can't be overlooked.