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For those who don't want to read the FAQ or find the video incredibly unhelpful [1]: a. It only supports the Nexus 6 out of the gate. b. It automatically switches you to the "fastest" network available. Partners out of the gate are Sprint and T-mobile. Sounds like it prefers Wifi, then 4G LTE, and then degrades down to 3G or 2G. c. Pricing is $20 for unlimited talk (domestic) and text (domestic and international) and…

What I don't get is, what's in this for Sprint and T-Mobile? Currently a user of their network is a customer they "own" -- they deal with that customer directly. Now they have Google sitting between them and the user, which effectively commoditizes their service; Google could switch them out for another network down the road without the user ever knowing or caring. That's great for Google, and probably also great for…

Separation of concerns?

Let ye olde business do the infrastructure, and Google - data mining.

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> Pay one rate for data around the world > > In 120+ countries, data usage costs the same $10 per GB > as it does in the US (data speed is limited to 256kbps/3G). > Check email, get directions, and keep in touch with friends > and family when on your trip. Also, call around the world > for 20c per minute and send unlimited international texts. This sounds incredible. Roaming cellular transmission costs are enormous.…

$20 get's you a gig of 4G data in UK.

Probably more in other countries.

I think what's interesting here is that Apple tried to do something similar years ago and carriers revolted.

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post #48

It's amazing that $10/GB is about 4 times amount local telecom providers charge for 3G in india.

Quick nitpick, it's primarily 4g, not 3g. But in general, lots of things in the developed world cost multiple times what they cost in the developing world, especially things whose cost is tied to local labor costs.

I'm guessing the biggest cost of building and maintaining mobile data infrastructure is the labor, and physical and intellectual labor in India is just way cheaper on average than in the US.

Historically, though, the US carriers have operated in way that makes it harder for customers to switch between carriers (carrier-specific-frequency tied phones, contracts). Some argue that this is a natural technical outcome of covering an area as vast as the US, and others say this is deliberate collusion. Either way, MVNOs that disintermediate this seem like a healthy stimulus for competition in the US mobile data marketplace, and perhaps they will be able to reduce the cost/GB in the US.

EDIT: wording

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This is almost cheap enough to pay for the new device I would need to use it. I could save ~$25 a month given my current usage patterns over the T-Mobile plan I have. I imagine users of Verizon or AT&T, which are quite a bit more expensive for the same amount of data, might consider this a huge bargain. Certainly being able to migrate across two decent networks makes it more likely to be competitive with the better/bigger networks of Verizon and AT&T.

I wonder, and can't seem to find in my cursory glance through the FAQ, how this handles regular numbers vs Google Voice numbers. I currently use two numbers on my phone. My Google Voice number (which is how I assume this thing does what it does), and the "native" cell number I've had for nearly 20 years. I know I could port the native number to Google Voice, but I currently use both numbers...so, that wouldn't really work, as I'd still need to be able to use my Google Voice number, too. It's a little clumsy on current Android phones (you choose which number to use for outgoing calls either at call-time or by-default), but it works. If this only works for Google Voice service, it might be a bit challenging to switch.

Also, they say this supports MMS. Does that mean sending MMS is finally coming to Google Voice?

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post #244

Can someone explain why mobile data is now the expense driver for phone plans and why it's so expensive? It's obvious that data usage has skyrocketed now that smartphones have taken off, but is all that data usage draining mobile networks? Is there not enough capacity? Or is it just that it's so expensive to build? Is it such a massive barrier-to-entry that rates aren't really competitive?

I'm not terribly knowledgeable in this area, but I think part of it has to do with the availability of frequencies to do data communication over. They price data so people curb their data usage thus preventing crowding on the already limited bandwidth. Of course, this could just be FUD I've been fed.

Except that Sprint and T-Mobile do offer unlimited data plans (without throttling) and T-Mobile simply throttles instead of charging overages for its non-unlimited plans. I've used both and have yet to encounter issues with congestion (though I don't live in a big city, so maybe it's different in that environment).

Non-unlimited plans with throttling instead of overage charges would probably be the best solution to overcrowding issues in the short-term.

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In my experience, video chat through Google hangout uses about 1G/hour. $10/G translates to $10/hour. This is a significant cost for a remote worker using video chat as a routine meeting venue.

1 Gigabyte per hour? Are you really chatting at 22 Mbit/s? That's like half Bluray quality.

That wouldn't really be surprising if it's an HD video chat, especially when you consider that the communication would likely be bidirectional (unlike normal video streaming, which is one-directional).

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Im guessing this doesn't piggy back on tmobile music streaming? I'm currently paying $32 for 5GB on tmobile, google wants $50 for the same network.

To clarify: Google wants $50 for the same network while replacing T-Mobile's throttling scheme with a more traditional "we'll charge you more" scheme.

T-Mobile's the better deal here by a long shot.

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is $10/GB and $0.2/min normal within the US? I'm not familiar with American (non-roaming) pricing. For comparison: In Germany I have an LTE data plan for my tablet where I pay €24.99 for 7.5GB (~$3.57/GB), the lowest plan being €6.99 for 1GB (~$7.50/GB). Unlimited calls in Germany including 1GB data would cost me €19.99/month (~$21.48) at the same provider and unlimited text in Germany would be an additional €4.99/mo…

A carrier in germany has to build 26 times less towers than a carrier in the US, because germany is more than 26 times smaller than the US. I would think the increased expenditure of 26 times more towers would increase the cost of plans. Europe also never had the culture of carrier subsidized phones, and so were never accustomed to paying more in monthly fees in exchange for low to no cost upgrades of hardware. Tethe…

There are considerably more providers than actual carriers in Germany. The way frequencies are assigned in Germany probably plays into this, but in a nutshell: many if not most people don't have contracts with the actual network operators (i.e. carriers) but with companies that are merely service providers. There are a lot of spin-off companies offering discounted monthly or pre-paid plans contracts compared to the expensive 2 year plans offered by their parent companies (e.g. Congstar is a subsidiary of Telekom Deutschland).

What you say about subsidized phones is patently false. I don't recall unsubsidized phones being a thing at all in Germany when mobile phones first became popular. Even today many if not most Germans seem to prefer subsidized phones -- in my experience buying your phone separately is only common in the more tech savvy or higher end markets, although the growing popularity of discounted month-to-month mobile plans may be changing that.

AFAIK tethering and jailbreaking/rooting is, generally speaking, always legal in Germany. For subsidized phones things can be different if you're not actually purchasing the phone but only leasing it (because it isn't your property and therefore you're not allowed to modify it), but I think these days most contracts have you actually purchase the phone. Not sure whether this is due to market demand, but I think there's also a decline in carrier branded phones, so it might simply be that.

Except for pre-paid/post-paid (i.e. no fixed plan, pay-as-you-go) contracts, I think all German providers offer unlimited low-speed data with a varying amount of high-speed data. As far as I can tell, most if not all providers these days offer their fastest speeds as "high-speed" on all contracts with only the amount of data being the difference, not tiered speed caps (this definitely used to be different).

So, yeah, your information seems to be a bit out of date. At least with regard to Germany -- I don't know enough about other EU countries to say anything about them.

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post #40

"We refund the data you don't use" is basically a way of saying "you pay by the megabyte for the data you do use" -- which is actually really great, I've been frustrated that everyone's settled on "all-you-can-eat" data as the standard, it doesn't align incentives well at all. And they really are refunding it: if you use 1.2GB per month, it doesn't matter whether you sign up for 2, 5, or 10GB, your bill comes out exa…

This plan actually makes no sense. Overage charges are the same rate ($10 / GB), so why am I buying a "plan" at all? Why don't they just charge $10 * x gigs / month instead of all this buying / refunding business?

Perhaps because all the other carriers sell you X GB per month, so they want their plans to be easily comparable to the layman?

To you or I it is easy to see the true nature of their "plans" but to someone who isn't quite sure how many megabytes are in a gigabyte, this probably makes it a lot easier to compare to, say, AT&T.

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