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What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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The most logistically frustrating part of the ordeal: "Dining halls at some schools, for example, close for spring break, though some students can’t afford to leave campus."

Even during the semester, they didn't serve on Sunday. Presumably because you were all out with friends, eating at a pub or whatever. I just didn't eat on Sunday night.

Wow, we at least had 7 day service during the semester.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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I attended an elite UK university having had a poor upbringing. This article reads painfully to me. I don't have the words to describe why, but I can try. The closest I can come is to say that this idea of inclusiveness is terminally broken. It's a sort of bandage over a huge chasm of differences. For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage. Change the accent, the clothes, the pop cultu…

> For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage.

That baggage is what makes so many upper class people despise being around poor people. It's also why every exclusive club interviews people under the guise of a "cultural fit" policy, or what they sometimes call a "no asshole rule" to avoid criticism, when in reality it's almost always just self-deluded bigotry.

The proof is in how homogeneously upper class, even when otherwise diverse, most "elite" organization are. If they were actually merit based, you would necessarily see incredible diversity in class. Instead, everywhere, you see organizations made up of the wealthy descendants of wealthy people.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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Even during the semester, they didn't serve on Sunday. Presumably because you were all out with friends, eating at a pub or whatever. I just didn't eat on Sunday night.

Wow, we at least had 7 day service during the semester.

My buddy was an expert at finding all-you-can-eat buffet service. Couldn't afford the food service. That buffet was his meal for the day.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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> I never asked questions; never used any tutors or talked to a professor; I am a professor (albeit at a non-elite university). How do I persuade students such as yourself to ask questions, to use tutors, to show up to office hours, and to talk to me?

When I was in college I didn't even know what that conversation would sound like. I knew that I was supposed to go to office hours and start a relationship with my professors, but I pictured it as me standing in their doorway, not knowing what to say.

I recall that! I (once) went to the Engineering building during office hours, lurked in the hallway, peeked in his door. He was grading papers. So I didn't bother him and left. And that was it for me visiting during office hours.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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I attended an elite UK university having had a poor upbringing. This article reads painfully to me. I don't have the words to describe why, but I can try. The closest I can come is to say that this idea of inclusiveness is terminally broken. It's a sort of bandage over a huge chasm of differences. For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage. Change the accent, the clothes, the pop cultu…

you need to get new friends.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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I attended Stanford business school on scholarship. I was brought up in a middle class household, not poor. I couldn't fit in with the rich kids, many of whom were sons/daughters of millionaire/billionaires, the bankers and the consultants. All the students were obsessed with networking and as a "lowly" engineer pursuing an MBA, my classmates never considered me worth getting to know. I tried but couldn't really forg…

Want to hob nob with GSB students? Should have gone to Stanfurd for engineering. "Hey you are a programmer? Want to make an app for me?"

Haha, yes. Met a lot of those."I can't code but I have lots of ideas."

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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I attended an elite UK university having had a poor upbringing. This article reads painfully to me. I don't have the words to describe why, but I can try. The closest I can come is to say that this idea of inclusiveness is terminally broken. It's a sort of bandage over a huge chasm of differences. For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage. Change the accent, the clothes, the pop cultu…

>For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage. Change the accent, the clothes, the pop culture references, the 'back home...' stories. Avoid the discussions about parents. The list goes on. This sounds like a perfect summary of Dick Whitman's transition into Don Draper.

I was thinking Gatsby, which echoed a lot of how Fitzgerald felt at Princeton.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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Couple of thoughts:

- Even if you provide resources to students for finding jobs/internships, they don't come with the same connections or experience as their wealthier peers so I'm wondering how much these help. For example, technology companies are typically going to hire those computer science students with the most programming experience, outside of a few small programs run by the larger companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook) specifically for disadvantaged students.

- Often you see stats on what percentage of students attending a university are low income (by some proxy like Pell grants), and what percentage of them graduate, but I have yet to see stats on career fields and income for these students. As someone from a blue collar middle class background getting an engineering degree I could count on one hand the number of students I met with backgrounds similar to mine (and this is at a fairly large school). I would expect these sorts of stats aren't very flattering to schools, but would love to see the numbers if they exist.

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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I attended an elite UK university having had a poor upbringing. This article reads painfully to me. I don't have the words to describe why, but I can try. The closest I can come is to say that this idea of inclusiveness is terminally broken. It's a sort of bandage over a huge chasm of differences. For a poor person to become wealthy requires them to discard their baggage. Change the accent, the clothes, the pop cultu…

Its hard to take the article very seriously from the title, but it does make for a slightly cringeworthy read. As someone from a very poor background (actual poor - starving in africa poor, not US overprivileged 'I can eat for free out of bins' poor, but this is all relative...) I can sympathise somewhat too. I agree with the point made here in this comment- personally, I never felt like I had the kind of disadvantag…

> A very rich man once said to me that if you act like a rich person eventually you would find yourself to be rich... I think there is an element of truth in that.

Unfortunately, there is also truth in the idea that if you act like you're rich, you end up poor, because you wind up spending all you have (probably plus some).

Re: What is it like to be poor at an Ivy League school?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its hard to take the article very seriously from the title, but it does make for a slightly cringeworthy read. As someone from a very poor background (actual poor - starving in africa poor, not US overprivileged 'I can eat for free out of bins' poor, but this is all relative...) I can sympathise somewhat too. I agree with the point made here in this comment- personally, I never felt like I had the kind of disadvantag…

"I pass very well for an upper middle-class man thanks to a spiffing british accent I inherited from my mother" Its amazing how a "upper crust" accent will play versus something something considered "low class". Its one of those hidden assumptions that adults make. I have a deep, loud voice that was tinged with a rez accent and quite a lot of slang. Watch a kid react to Mater from Cars versus an adult. The story of t…

thanks for that little gem about Mater's voice.

looking at efforts spent on voices around the world in high quality productions is always interesting (in high quality dubs, even ambient background conversation is re-recorded, for example), and a strong reminder of how US-centric a lot of media is. people still build 'new' software with ansi strings after all... :)

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