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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Dirlewanger » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:13 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

Yet another reason why a society only is as stable and wholesome as its average nuclear family unit.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Dirlewanger » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:16 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

dccoolgai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This dynamic has always frightened me about China's "one child" generation coming of age. Instead of a group of disaffected Jihadists, you have a large and influential political force in an increasingly belligerent and powerful nation.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

I think (may not be) he's talking about the fact that China's male-to-female ratio is just under 1.2, which is insane for a country their size. Lots and lots of single unhappy men in a society where one is pressured to marry ASAP does not make for a happy society.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Someone1234 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:17 PM UTC

yummyfajitas wrote: post #17

The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce,...The imbalance has also forced women to rely on themselves — often alone... There is a pretty obvious solution to this problem which has been legal since 1967. It works well and the babies come out really cute. Weird how the NYT glosses that over...

Interracial marriage only works as a "solution" if there were an inverse imbalance in other racial communities to supply the men needed to fulfil the shortfall.

It also completely ignores the fact that people in the black communities may not wish to date people from other races. it isn't a breading farm after all, people's choices matter a lot. If black woman want to date a black man, that is completely normal/understandable/a valid choice.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by guelo » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:18 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

That middle eastern hypothesis is wrong, offensive and off topic.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by chaostheory » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:18 PM UTC

I wonder what the stats are for other ethnicities?

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by fredgrott » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:19 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

the other aspect not to be missed as it lines up gang studies is that there is big lack father time with both sons and daughters..in ME its a culture of multiple wives..different from gangs with single moms..but same effects angry young men

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by Someone1234 » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:19 PM UTC

Dirlewanger wrote: post #22

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

I think (may not be) he's talking about the fact that China's male-to-female ratio is just under 1.2, which is insane for a country their size. Lots and lots of single unhappy men in a society where one is pressured to marry ASAP does not make for a happy society.

He was. He also suggested that China was:

> an increasingly belligerent and powerful nation

Powerful is of course true. Increasingly belligerent was the point I was responding to. If you look at China's recent history, they're a lot more West-friendly now than at any point since WWII.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by cloakandswagger » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:21 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #24

dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

That middle eastern hypothesis is wrong, offensive and off topic.

I think it's an interesting point. Even more interesting is your attempt to shut down the conversation because it offends you.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by stevenmays » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:22 PM UTC

And these "missing men" are only the ones currently incarcerated. After incarceration many men have difficulties securing employment, which further destabilizes relationships.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by adventured » Mon, Apr 20, 2015, 7:22 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #18

dccoolgai wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This dynamic has always frightened me about China's "one child" generation coming of age. Instead of a group of disaffected Jihadists, you have a large and influential political force in an increasingly belligerent and powerful nation.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

China's neighbors would likely disagree about China only wanting to trade. They're very aggressively laying claim to large swaths of sea around the Philippines, Vietnam, and Malaysia that clearly do not belong to them. Annexing water territory that does not belong to them, is no different than China taking Tibet by force on the basis that they proclaim it belongs to them. As such it's clear that plenty of their extreme belligerence is still intact.