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L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

I'm an IT Dir. for a district in St. Louis county. I remember reading this article and being blown away. I ran a copy over to my Superintendent. While we're not ditching Windows or Chromebooks at the moment, the part I was most interested in adapting for our district is student involvement in the tech process and peer support.

We're setting up a student led and staffed tech support group so that they can help their classmates out with issues around BYOB, Chromebooks, etc.

I was an enterprise Linux admin in a former life, and I'm working on integrating it more. I've already got it in the hands of a few students on their own BYOD devices.

Great job out there.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Awesome. I am in Allentown, PA and running for School Board currently. I need to make sure I look into this project for some of our students in our city.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Wow! I'm from Lancaster. This is the last thing I would have expected coming out of there. That is some great stuff.

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Public discussion of education is always hampered by the fact that people not professionals in it have no sense of how complicated it is. Some students are genuises, some are cognitively low. Some students have personality disorders. Some students will soak up everything they see. Others don't care. Some students need to be a medical treatments at various times during the week. Some pray five times a day. Some are so…

Are you an education professional? I'm not, but I wonder why we don't go back to the model of segregating students by ability/need. It seems like the trend today is to "mainstream" everyone into a common classroom, so you have high achievers, low ability, as well as genuinely abnormal (mentally retarded, severe behavorial problems, etc.) all together. I see no way that can be effective for any of them because you wil…

Most districts I've seen do this to some degree, so I think the premise of the question -- that schools don't -- is fundamentally flawed.

Of course, there are more axes of student variation than schools can segregate on without having a single educator dedicated full time to each individual student, and there are other factors working against such segregation -- it imposes additional curriculum costs costs, and administrative costs which are politically unpopular, and it creates decision points which parents frequently disagree with, which leads to conflict and additional costs on top of those basically necessary to manage the segregation.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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Public discussion of education is always hampered by the fact that people not professionals in it have no sense of how complicated it is. Some students are genuises, some are cognitively low. Some students have personality disorders. Some students will soak up everything they see. Others don't care. Some students need to be a medical treatments at various times during the week. Some pray five times a day. Some are so…

> Public discussion of education is always hampered by the fact that people not professionals in it have no sense of how complicated it is.

My friend's a teacher and the stories she tells me give me a glimpse into it. She's been in an intercity school for about 3 years now and so far, yearly:

* 3-4 of her students will be shot dead within a mile of their home or school * 10+ of her students will be in jail or in juvenile detention for a significant amount of time, usually on drug-related charged * 5+ of her students will have a child and miss a significant amount of time * 1-2 of her students will be pulled out of class and beaten by a rival gang

That doesn't even include the kids who work jobs, drug related or otherwise, outside of school to support their families.

Reforming education will be a side effect of working to improve society. Any attempt to reform education without looking at the environment the kids live in will fail.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Even more, we've given them root access.

From your link:

each laptop is equipped with a filter to block material deemed harmful to minors. Filters are enabled both on and off campus

I bet that won't be much of an obstacle... but I like how you're encouraging them to "hack" - it's great to give them full control over their computers and see what they can do.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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Aside from how Pearson performed, I'm rather surprised that they choose to buy so many iPads. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Are they teaching kids about programming or computer skills? Probably not. Did they expect Pearson to produce an entire curriculum just for the iPad? Why not a website instead, which is so much more easily accessed and maintained? Did these schools want to be "technologica…

> Did they expect Pearson to produce an entire curriculum just for the iPad? More or less, yes: "Under the contract, Pearson was to provide English and math curriculum." > Why not a website instead The article says "Deasy had said the technology effort was a civil rights imperative designed to provide low-income students with devices available to their wealthier peers." It's easy for you and me to assume that every m…

The problem is that computers in the home may not change outcomes for low income students. In fact, some studies have shown that giving poor kids computers actually makes things worse [1]. I certainly don't think that we should keep computers away from poor kids, but we need to think carefully about how to maximize the social value of the money spent on these programs.

As an example, I have lived with at least one computer my entire life (that I can remember), starting with a Commodore 64. My parents encouraged me to explore, and my dad helped me learn BASIC when I was 9 or 10 (I may have given up without his assistance). The computer was important, but so were my parents. One without the other would have created a very different outcome for me.

Parents of disadvantaged children are less likely to have the time, knowledge, or energy to provide the motivation and assistance to help their children benefit from having a computer. So then, how much social value are we getting when we drop $500 or $1,000 (or more, with support costs) and hand a disadvantaged kid an iPad or a laptop?

In my view, having worked in academic technology, albeit at the college level, we would get better results by providing an excellent technology curriculum, taught by competent teachers, with a low-pressure, low-risk environment (AP Computer Science doesn't work here because disadvantaged kids don't take AP classes). The cost would be about the same, or even less, but in exchange for the money we could get both pieces of the puzzle, hardware (computer labs, imagine in-school hacker spaces), and the knowledge and direction to actually make something of it.

[1] https://www.nber.org/papers/w16078

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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>The district selected Pearson based only on samples of curriculum — nothing more was available. So they bought hardware to run software that didn't exist.

Yes, I noticed that as well.

Just to play Devil's Advocate for a bit: assume 12 hours of material each week (Maths/English lessons plus some homework tasks), and a 36 week school year. I'm assuming something like ages 11 to 16, so something like 2160 hours total. That is a fair amount to author before you have a contract is it not?

(As a teacher myself, I would have suggested leading into the scheme with 10% of that with good quality interactive material broken into small enough topics so the teachers could integrate it with what they use already.)

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I want to know more about the 800MM on "improving" Internet access. that seems absurdly high, even for one of the top three school districts in the nation (by size)

I work in a k12 ed tech company. In most schools I've seen, by the time the internet gets to the users device, the quality of service is astonishingly bad. Even in schools that purport to have a big pipe coming in. Low bandwidth per user, bad access points, frequency clashing, broken switches, aggressive content filtering and firewalls all add up to making it really hard for a student to stream even one educational v…

We have none of those issues. We block Youtube because when opened students don't stream "educational" videos. They sit in the library watching sports, anime, and inappropriate content.

Aggressive filtering, unfortunately, is a necessary evil because students are kids who, en mass, are irresponsible and make dumb choices.

Re: L.A. school district ditches iPad curriculum

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I'm currently working at a school district in Lancaster, PA. We have gone with Linux laptops for all of our students. Even more, we've given them root access. We chose this because of exactly the points that many people are bringing up in these comments. What does the iPad offer to the pedagogical process? Not really that much outside of the sanitary iOS enviroment. Are they teaching kids about programming or compute…

Even more, we've given them root access. From your link: each laptop is equipped with a filter to block material deemed harmful to minors. Filters are enabled both on and off campus I bet that won't be much of an obstacle... but I like how you're encouraging them to "hack" - it's great to give them full control over their computers and see what they can do.

Very true, but I can guarantee that if a HS kid is able to figure out a way to access 'adult' material, it won't stay a secret for long.

After that, the HS admin will deal with it in the same way as if they brought a skin mag to school in their backpack. :)

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