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A 2x Faster Web

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Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by shykes »

shimon wrote: post #8

Am I missing their explanation of how a SPDY-capable client and server discover and make use of SPDY instead of HTTP? For this to take hold in the wild, it has to be possible for me to run a combined HTTP+SPDY server, and for a client connecting to it to automatically make use of SPDY if it is capable. This must happen without user intervention (i.e. we don't expect people to type spdy:// instead of http:// ). It see…

You could browse to the page the regular way, then load a Javascript or Flash library which would use SPDY for all further communications. In your typical web app the user experience could be visibly improved.

You can already do this with Flash today, and it would be much easier for Google to push it into the DOM than to touch the transport protocol.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by dkubb »

I love that Google is focusing on how to speed up the web, but they are missing the most obvious thing they could do that would have a dramatic impact on the speed of the web:

Update their PageRank algorithm to take into account website speed, and then publish this as a fact.

The idea would be that they would have GoogleBot measure the latency, and overall page load time and rank sites higher that respond faster, and slow sites lower.

One of the problems with PageRank is that most of how they measure site quality is a mystery, but making it plain that speed is used in ranking would bring website performance to the front of everyone's minds. They could use similar metrics as YSlow and PageSpeed use, and tell everyone to optimize their sites using those tools as a starting point.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by bensummers »

Regarding the use of SSL by default, they better require the use of the SSL mode which sends the hostname before the crypto negotiation. Otherwise that's a lot of IP addresses required for virtual hosting!

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by pavs »

symesc wrote: post #10
swombat wrote: post #7

Impressive, how Google are taking on challenges that pretty much no other company could possibly address... replacing email... enhancing HTTP, etc... They're the only company with the means to take on such massive, unprofitable projects, and at the same time enough street cred that everyone won't immediately assume they're trying to make the web proprietary. The fact that they tend to open up these things from the ge…

Agreed. I think the important thing to note is that Google is the only large company whose business model depends almost completely on the success of the Internet. This is why we see them at bat for Net Neutrality as well as efficiencies within communication protocols. Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, HP, IBM . . . those companies make their livings in other ways. The only company comparable to Google would be Yahoo in this…

While I agree with you generally. MS, Apple, Oracle, HP, IBM or any personal computer or server related business would either not be as successful or their product as widely used if there was no internet.

IE. Imagine a personal computer market with no way for computers to communicate with each other, would users be still buying computers as much as they do now or would it be just a small niche market?

Even though there are several big players whose business model depends quite a bit on the internet, yet no other tech companies does as much as to improve the internet as Google does. The icing on the cake is that Google opens up and shares most of these projects to everyone for free.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by rubymaverick »

dkubb wrote: post #12

I love that Google is focusing on how to speed up the web, but they are missing the most obvious thing they could do that would have a dramatic impact on the speed of the web: Update their PageRank algorithm to take into account website speed, and then publish this as a fact. The idea would be that they would have GoogleBot measure the latency, and overall page load time and rank sites higher that respond faster, and…

Unless they want to make the web faster for their properties, which SPDY would do. They can only optimize their own sites up to a point and then they need to make the whole web infrastructure more efficient to realize any more speed gains, across all clients.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by timdorr »

dkubb wrote: post #12

I love that Google is focusing on how to speed up the web, but they are missing the most obvious thing they could do that would have a dramatic impact on the speed of the web: Update their PageRank algorithm to take into account website speed, and then publish this as a fact. The idea would be that they would have GoogleBot measure the latency, and overall page load time and rank sites higher that respond faster, and…

Except your network connection to a site is going to be drastically different than Google's. Case in point: My datacenter directly peers with Comcast, so I get It would be like comparing the drive to a particular location using completely different starting points.

Plus, people would start doing all sorts of tricks to boost their ranking. Serving static, cached files for Google and giving everyone else a slow, dynamic site. It's way too easy to abuse.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by pjhyett »

dkubb wrote: post #12

I love that Google is focusing on how to speed up the web, but they are missing the most obvious thing they could do that would have a dramatic impact on the speed of the web: Update their PageRank algorithm to take into account website speed, and then publish this as a fact. The idea would be that they would have GoogleBot measure the latency, and overall page load time and rank sites higher that respond faster, and…

They already do that in a sense. Google's webmaster tools show you how quickly googlebot crawls your site, you can actually adjust it higher, but I'm sure their crawl recommendation is based upon how much the algorithm thinks your site can reasonably handle.

So, in theory, the faster your site responds, the more pages googlebot can crawl without crushing your servers, the more people find your site when searching, thus giving more people the opportunity to visit your site because it's fast.

Re: A 2x Faster Web

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Post by antirez »

I've a bad feeling of this potentially making the web layer more complex. Also the encryption bit may not be a good idea if you are not Google...

In general I'm more happy with web standards. Google doing research on this is great, but if they unilaterally push solutions that will anyway hit the mass market because they are Google is not good.

All the web, the idea of HTTP APIs and so on are based on the fact that HTTP may not be perfect but it's trivial to use, implement, and so forth. Please don't break this fact.

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